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Re: Promotion Interviews 2021
« Reply #75 on: Wed 09 Jun 2021 09:46 »
I also heard that although 6 are being interviewed, the referee who finished 6th is not one of them.

If this is the case then I am absolutely for equality but this cannot be right and would be purely positive discrimination.
This is exactly what the Rooney Rule proposes in order to give opportunities to ethnic minority candidates - an guarantee that at least one such person will be interviewed to offset any (perceived or real) prejudices faced along the way.  It doesn't guarantee a job; just the chance to be considered.
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Re: Promotion Interviews 2021
« Reply #76 on: Wed 09 Jun 2021 13:02 »
I'm going to take this opportunity to point out to some of you newbies - we are not a gossip column. We are not interested in rumours, what you've heard or speculation - never have been. Most of it is way off base anyway! Opinion is fine, facts are even better, rumour, gossip and speculation is just something to be ignored, the whole reason it is rumour, gossip and speculation is because it has little to no bearing on fact...  As justalino says "the only person who can see your merit table position is you and the powers that be and you are unable to see anyone else's". Anyone outside of the powers that be or the referee themselves who is genuinely in the know doesn't spout off on a forum saying "I've heard..."  which is partly why they are genuinely in the know - they can be trusted with matters of 'in confidence'.

Add in that the position on the merit table is not the only factor that will be considered, although it will be one of the most important factors, developmental progress will be considered, the referee as a whole in terms of can they handle the next step up will be considered, their attitude, their desire and willingness to work hard, keep learning, keep progressing will be considered, someone might be excellent at x level but would not handle the next step up or have the ability at the next level, the level they are at might be the peak of their ability so they may well finish top of the merit table year in year out and never get called for interview to the next level.
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« Reply #77 on: Wed 09 Jun 2021 14:39 »
The referees being interviewed for promotion are the following:

Select Group 2 → Select Group 1
- John Brooks
- Jarred Gillett
- Tony Harrington
- Keith Stroud
- Michael Salisbury

National List → Select Group 2
- Thomas Bramall
- John Busby
- Martin Coy
- Darren Drysdale
- Craig Hicks
- Bobby Madley


Darren Drysdale has withdrawn from the interview process for promotion to Select Group 2 - according to Ref Support UK, citing his commitment to family and his role in the armed forces.

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Re: Promotion Interviews 2021
« Reply #78 on: Wed 09 Jun 2021 16:22 »
Speaking as someone who appoints officials and collates merit tables, it has always been based on merit.

I cant and wont begin to comment on something I dont know in regards the national league promotions.

What I will say is refs are now given their position rather than bandings, so for example a ref is 6 of 60.
However they have their own whats app groups or some other medium where they discuss each others position so it wouldnt be difficult to figure out if most posted on the group.
This would be more likely to be the case I would suggest  in geographical areas where they all know each other.

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« Reply #79 on: Wed 09 Jun 2021 16:42 »
Now letís be real.  Of course they can pick or choose who they want.
They will invite everyone up to a certain position to the interview / selection.  And then they can select and reject from there.
Last season for instance both referees and assistant promotions.  Please donít tell me there was no positive discrimination in that process.  I wonít name names but you can work them out.

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« Reply #80 on: Wed 09 Jun 2021 16:50 »
Speaking as someone who appoints officials and collates merit tables, it has always been based on merit.

I cant and wont begin to comment on something I dont know in regards the national league promotions.

What I will say is refs are now given their position rather than bandings, so for example a ref is 6 of 60.
However they have their own whats app groups or some other medium where they discuss each others position so it wouldnt be difficult to figure out if most posted on the group.
This would be more likely to be the case I would suggest  in geographical areas where they all know each other.

Assuming everyone tells the truth ;)

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« Reply #81 on: Wed 09 Jun 2021 18:12 »
There are always likely to be variations from the merit table to who gets promoted.  For example, a level 5 might finish top of observation marks, but if his leagues tell the CFA that his admin is rubbish and he has turned down loads of games on open dates the CFA are extremely unlikely to put him at the top of their priority list as their reputation will be on the line.  The same applies at supply league with 4 to 3 promotions, there the RefsSec will know how reliable his referees are and that will be reflected in his comments to the FA.

At higher levels it won't, or at least shouldn't be, down to administration but could be other things.  Is their timekeeping questionable and they have repeatedly been late for games, have they missed group training sessions or meetings with no valid reason, etc.
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« Reply #82 on: Fri 11 Jun 2021 15:01 »
I also heard that although 6 are being interviewed, the referee who finished 6th is not one of them.

If this is the case then I am absolutely for equality but this cannot be right and would be purely positive discrimination. It would be very interesting to hear how this would be justified to the referee who finished in 6th position as to how or why somebody below them was interviewed rather than them. That could make for a very uncomfortable explanation.
It would seem that given the press coverage much earlier in the season that colours were pinned to a certain mast. I for one sincerely hope this is not the case as that would do more damage to the question of equality than anything else.

Out of interest at this level is it the FA who would nominate for interview or PGMOL? Iím not sure how far down the influence of PGMOL goes

Yes I totally agree, it is my understanding that Rebecca finished around the halfway point on the merit list, but is still being considered on the basis that she had a development game.

I would certainly be very disappointed if I was one of the referees who finished above her and didn't receive the same opportunity and I imagine it will cause a lot of resentment amongst refereeing colleagues should she be successful.

It would be fantastic to see a female referee on the Football League, but it absolutely must be on the basis of merit, otherwise what is the point in having a merit list.

I always take these rumours with a little bit of a pinch of salt, bearing in mind the only person who can see your merit table position is you and the powers that be and you are unable to see anyone else's.  If I had a pound for everytime an official has told me they finished one place outside the promotion places last season.....

Every year there are rumours that female/gay/BAME referees have been promoted on their belonging to a particular demographic rather than merit table position.  None of us will ever know if that's true of course, and if it is then that is totally counter productive to the equal society we all want.  Tokenism is equally damaging in my opinion.

The moral of the story for me is to not concern oneself with the politics.  Control the controllables.

People not concerning themselves with politics enables politicians to get away with murder. (You may decide for yourself whether I'm using that phrase figuratively or not.)
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Re: Promotion Interviews 2021
« Reply #83 on: Fri 11 Jun 2021 18:58 »
Nemesis - you overlooked the definite article

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Re: Promotion Interviews 2021
« Reply #84 on: Fri 18 Jun 2021 10:41 »
Itís all gone quiet in this front recently - any ideas when we can expect an announcement?

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« Reply #85 on: Fri 18 Jun 2021 14:15 »
Itís all gone quiet in this front recently - any ideas when we can expect an announcement?

With the National League Play-off final being held on Sunday, I'd imagine that announcements will follow in the weeks shortly after.

The last "normal" season saw the National League Play-off final taking place on 11th May 2019 and the announcements followed around w/c 20th May

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« Reply #86 on: Fri 18 Jun 2021 14:16 »
Some time in the future..

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« Reply #87 on: Fri 18 Jun 2021 16:39 »
I believe that Madley got injured in the fitness test and therefore as the fitness test wasnít passed he is no longer eligible for promotion.

I have to say that sounds extremely harsh that a referee can perform well for a whole season and then an injury or medical incident would stop them from being promoted. Surely if itís an injury a referee should be given another opportunity to pass that? Is that the normal procedure? I thought officials had a number of opportunities to pass a test especially if injury was the reason for not passing first time?

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« Reply #88 on: Fri 18 Jun 2021 19:46 »
The final National League to Football League Referee interview took place today, so I would expect that we should hear something next week 👍🏼