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Re: Promotion Interviews 2021
« Reply #60 on: Tue 08 Jun 2021 12:42 »
According to Twitter, seven assistant referees have been promoted to the National Group.

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Re: Promotion Interviews 2021
« Reply #61 on: Tue 08 Jun 2021 13:27 »
Seven? That seems very small in comparison to years gone by

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« Reply #62 on: Tue 08 Jun 2021 14:57 »
I find it strange that people are saying that the likes of Stroud and Drysdale shouldn't be considered for promotion due to their age or a minor disciplinary issue - if they have been two of the best performing referees this season then they deserve to be considered. I'm sure some would be quick to point the finger at the PGMOL if there were considering 'lesser' performing referees instead.

I think the point is it doesn't really help the succession planning.
I find it quite incredible that Stroud is being considered for a return to SG1.  I never liked his style of refereeing, but that is not really the point.  The fact that someone the wrong side of 50 is in contention shows the desperate lack of quality coming through from SG2.  I feel that some SG1 are getting rather long in the tooth but it seems there is nobody waiting in the wings to take over.  Clearly PGMOL's development programmes are failing to produce top talent. Who will be the first 60-y-o to take a Premier game, I wonder.

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Re: Promotion Interviews 2021
« Reply #63 on: Tue 08 Jun 2021 15:24 »
Who will be the first 60-y-o to take a Premier game, I wonder.

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« Reply #64 on: Tue 08 Jun 2021 15:36 »
Who will be the first 60-y-o to take a Premier game, I wonder.

Mike Dean!

I predict that Mike will retire before then because he will be hacked off with the technology having taken over from the human element. Time will tell!
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« Reply #65 on: Tue 08 Jun 2021 17:53 »
I would bet money that this will be Mike’s final season - especially with fans returning to games.
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« Reply #66 on: Tue 08 Jun 2021 20:40 »
Who will be the first 60-y-o to take a Premier game, I wonder.

Mike Dean!

Grandad is the oldest so far isn’t he?

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« Reply #67 on: Tue 08 Jun 2021 21:31 »
Does anybody know if those promoted to EFL middle have been informed or is it just the assistants so far?

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« Reply #68 on: Tue 08 Jun 2021 22:25 »
Does anybody know if those promoted to EFL middle have been informed or is it just the assistants so far?

I have heard (unofficially) that the top 5 National League Referees on the merit list (all those appointed as referee to play off matches) plus Rebecca Welch have been invited for an interview. Potentially looking at 4 referees to progress into the FL next season.

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« Reply #69 on: Tue 08 Jun 2021 23:14 »
Interesting how you phrased that W&S, implication being Ms Welch is not number 6?

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« Reply #70 on: Tue 08 Jun 2021 23:24 »
I also heard that although 6 are being interviewed, the referee who finished 6th is not one of them.

If this is the case then I am absolutely for equality but this cannot be right and would be purely positive discrimination. It would be very interesting to hear how this would be justified to the referee who finished in 6th position as to how or why somebody below them was interviewed rather than them. That could make for a very uncomfortable explanation.
It would seem that given the press coverage much earlier in the season that colours were pinned to a certain mast. I for one sincerely hope this is not the case as that would do more damage to the question of equality than anything else.

Out of interest at this level is it the FA who would nominate for interview or PGMOL? I’m not sure how far down the influence of PGMOL goes
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« Reply #71 on: Wed 09 Jun 2021 07:28 »
PGMO is very much involved with 2 to 1, although the FA make the day to day appointments (I believe)
In years past referees lower down merit lists have been interviewed/promoted as some above them may not have been eligible through age. But as we have seen with other lists (Stroud and Drysdale) this is no longer a factor.

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« Reply #72 on: Wed 09 Jun 2021 07:37 »
I also heard that although 6 are being interviewed, the referee who finished 6th is not one of them.

If this is the case then I am absolutely for equality but this cannot be right and would be purely positive discrimination. It would be very interesting to hear how this would be justified to the referee who finished in 6th position as to how or why somebody below them was interviewed rather than them. That could make for a very uncomfortable explanation.
It would seem that given the press coverage much earlier in the season that colours were pinned to a certain mast. I for one sincerely hope this is not the case as that would do more damage to the question of equality than anything else.

Out of interest at this level is it the FA who would nominate for interview or PGMOL? I’m not sure how far down the influence of PGMOL goes

Yes I totally agree, it is my understanding that Rebecca finished around the halfway point on the merit list, but is still being considered on the basis that she had a development game.

I would certainly be very disappointed if I was one of the referees who finished above her and didn't receive the same opportunity and I imagine it will cause a lot of resentment amongst refereeing colleagues should she be successful.

It would be fantastic to see a female referee on the Football League, but it absolutely must be on the basis of merit, otherwise what is the point in having a merit list.
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« Reply #73 on: Wed 09 Jun 2021 08:10 »
I also heard that although 6 are being interviewed, the referee who finished 6th is not one of them.

If this is the case then I am absolutely for equality but this cannot be right and would be purely positive discrimination. It would be very interesting to hear how this would be justified to the referee who finished in 6th position as to how or why somebody below them was interviewed rather than them. That could make for a very uncomfortable explanation.
It would seem that given the press coverage much earlier in the season that colours were pinned to a certain mast. I for one sincerely hope this is not the case as that would do more damage to the question of equality than anything else.

Out of interest at this level is it the FA who would nominate for interview or PGMOL? I’m not sure how far down the influence of PGMOL goes

Yes I totally agree, it is my understanding that Rebecca finished around the halfway point on the merit list, but is still being considered on the basis that she had a development game.

I would certainly be very disappointed if I was one of the referees who finished above her and didn't receive the same opportunity and I imagine it will cause a lot of resentment amongst refereeing colleagues should she be successful.

It would be fantastic to see a female referee on the Football League, but it absolutely must be on the basis of merit, otherwise what is the point in having a merit list.

In my brief experience of refereeing promotion this is unfortunately quite common at a lot of levels. If your face fits you’re in, if not you’ll never get anywhere on merit!
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Re: Promotion Interviews 2021
« Reply #74 on: Wed 09 Jun 2021 09:30 »
I also heard that although 6 are being interviewed, the referee who finished 6th is not one of them.

If this is the case then I am absolutely for equality but this cannot be right and would be purely positive discrimination. It would be very interesting to hear how this would be justified to the referee who finished in 6th position as to how or why somebody below them was interviewed rather than them. That could make for a very uncomfortable explanation.
It would seem that given the press coverage much earlier in the season that colours were pinned to a certain mast. I for one sincerely hope this is not the case as that would do more damage to the question of equality than anything else.

Out of interest at this level is it the FA who would nominate for interview or PGMOL? I’m not sure how far down the influence of PGMOL goes

Yes I totally agree, it is my understanding that Rebecca finished around the halfway point on the merit list, but is still being considered on the basis that she had a development game.

I would certainly be very disappointed if I was one of the referees who finished above her and didn't receive the same opportunity and I imagine it will cause a lot of resentment amongst refereeing colleagues should she be successful.

It would be fantastic to see a female referee on the Football League, but it absolutely must be on the basis of merit, otherwise what is the point in having a merit list.

I always take these rumours with a little bit of a pinch of salt, bearing in mind the only person who can see your merit table position is you and the powers that be and you are unable to see anyone else's.  If I had a pound for everytime an official has told me they finished one place outside the promotion places last season.....

Every year there are rumours that female/gay/BAME referees have been promoted on their belonging to a particular demographic rather than merit table position.  None of us will ever know if that's true of course, and if it is then that is totally counter productive to the equal society we all want.  Tokenism is equally damaging in my opinion.

The moral of the story for me is to not concern oneself with the politics.  Control the controllables.
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