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Author Topic: Port Vale v Accrington Stanley - Benjamin Speedie  (Read 625 times)

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OwdReds

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Port Vale v Accrington Stanley - Benjamin Speedie
« on: Wed 08 Feb 2023 08:28 »
Port Vale fans and management not very happy with Mr Speedie. Port Vale shot deliberately pushed onto the crossbar by a Stanley defender's hand falling straight to the feet of a Port Vale player who tapped the ball home. Mr Speedie had already blown for the penalty and inevitable red card. The penalty was subsequently saved. It seemed to me, even as a Stanley supporter that he could have waited another couple of seconds to see what happened rather than reacting so quickly to the hand ball.

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Port Vale fans and management not very happy with Mr Speedie. Port Vale shot deliberately pushed onto the crossbar by a Stanley defender's hand falling straight to the feet of a Port Vale player who tapped the ball home. Mr Speedie had already blown for the penalty and inevitable red card. The penalty was subsequently saved. It seemed to me, even as a Stanley supporter that he could have waited another couple of seconds to see what happened rather than reacting so quickly to the hand ball.

An interesting one. Presumably if Mr Speedie had allowed the goal, he wouldn't then have been able to issue a red card, just a yellow. Which is better, I wonder, playing v 10 men or v 11 with a goal advantage. And what if the offender had subsequently scored a goal, perhaps the equaliser or winning goal? I don't imagine the PV management would have been too happy. And I have to say I've seen it happen, albeit at a lower level. A bit of a dilemma all round. Thoughts?   
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I was at the game.  The time between the handball and the ball being put in the net from the rebound from very close range was probably less than a couple of seconds. I very much doubt the ref even had time to raise the whistle to his lips. Surely what the ref should have done is award the goal and book the defender for unsportsmanlike conduct?  The decision, however, was in line with much of what the official had done during the game.  I've never seen a crowd get so angry at a referee's failure to manage a game.  He spoke to the Accrington keeper in the first half, for example, about blatant time wasting at goal kicks.  The keeper took no notice, carried on taking an age over them and nothing happened.  Incidentally, whatever happened to the six second law??

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Vale won didnít they? So whatís all the fuss about?

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Vale won didnít they? So whatís all the fuss about?

Havenít seen any of the highlights but it finished 1-1
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Vale won didnít they? So whatís all the fuss about?

They didn't and that's hardly the point.
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Apologies, thought it was 2-1, must have looked at the wrong game

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Port Vale fans and management not very happy with Mr Speedie. Port Vale shot deliberately pushed onto the crossbar by a Stanley defender's hand falling straight to the feet of a Port Vale player who tapped the ball home. Mr Speedie had already blown for the penalty and inevitable red card. The penalty was subsequently saved. It seemed to me, even as a Stanley supporter that he could have waited another couple of seconds to see what happened rather than reacting so quickly to the hand ball.

An interesting one. Presumably if Mr Speedie had allowed the goal, he wouldn't then have been able to issue a red card, just a yellow. Which is better, I wonder, playing v 10 men or v 11 with a goal advantage. And what if the offender had subsequently scored a goal, perhaps the equaliser or winning goal? I don't imagine the PV management would have been too happy. And I have to say I've seen it happen, albeit at a lower level. A bit of a dilemma all round. Thoughts?

It is an interesting question.

From a tactical perspective, I guess my answer would partly depend on what stage of the game you were at in terms of what I'd prefer. If it was the last minute of extra time, like the famous Uruguay V Ghana incident, I'd prefer the goal. If it was the first minute of the  game I'd perhaps prefer the red card and chance to score from the penalty.

I remember Newcastle played Liverpool the week before the end of the season in 2018/19. Newcastle went 1-0 up from a rebound after a handball on the line by a Liverpool defender which the officials perhaps missed (at least I don't remember a yellow card being shown) - Liverpool went on to win 3-2 and there was some suggestion Newcastle would have preferred the red card.

For the record, in VAR games I think the protocol states that if a goal is scored following a missed handball then the goal has to be given, even if the attacking team might have preferred the penalty/red card.
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