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Re: Play offs
« Reply #15 on: Wed 05 May 2021 13:12 »
L1 - John Brooks
L2 - Tom Brammall

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« Reply #16 on: Wed 05 May 2021 13:31 »
Championship: Attwell
League 1: Brooks/Gilbert
League 2: Hicks or Breakspear

Gilbert Napthine?

Quite possibly. But I meant to put Gillett but it auto corrected !!
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« Reply #17 on: Wed 05 May 2021 14:11 »
I am a little surprised by all the excitement over Brooks. Perhaps others see more in him than I do.
Robinsons star in more in the descendancy of late so talk of him possibly getting onto the PL a couple of years back seems a long way off now. Interestingly my feeling is that he has had more League 1 and 2 games this season than most of his fellow SG2 refs

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« Reply #18 on: Wed 05 May 2021 14:36 »
I am a little surprised by all the excitement over Brooks. Perhaps others see more in him than I do.
Robinsons star in more in the descendancy of late so talk of him possibly getting onto the PL a couple of years back seems a long way off now. Interestingly my feeling is that he has had more League 1 and 2 games this season than most of his fellow SG2 refs



From what I have red on RTR I don't think many correspondents to this forum have shown a great degree of excitement over Brooks but reasonably informed opinion declares that those responsible for making promotions do have him very much in their sights.

It's the old argument about the "annointed" ones. There are referees who, to my untutored eye seem to be average members of the pack but who appear to get "adopted" for a rapid promotion.  Josh Smith is in the annointed category and his promotion to SG2 seems absurdly accelerated in my view as he hadn't really proved anything at FL level. Brooks is also in this category as was Coote a few years back and Hackett many years back. Darren England also enjoys "annointed" status but in his case there is obvious and genuine talent bursting through. It's just how it is and one would find similar scenarios in most professions with the rank and file ( in whose number I include myself ) sometimes scratching their collective heads thinking along the lines of " how on earth did s/he climb the greasy pole so quickly and on a lack of any evidence that I can see "
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Re: Play offs
« Reply #19 on: Wed 05 May 2021 21:05 »
I am a little surprised by all the excitement over Brooks. Perhaps others see more in him than I do.
Robinsons star in more in the descendancy of late so talk of him possibly getting onto the PL a couple of years back seems a long way off now. Interestingly my feeling is that he has had more League 1 and 2 games this season than most of his fellow SG2 refs



From what I have red on RTR I don't think many correspondents to this forum have shown a great degree of excitement over Brooks but reasonably informed opinion declares that those responsible for making promotions do have him very much in their sights.

It's the old argument about the "annointed" ones. There are referees who, to my untutored eye seem to be average members of the pack but who appear to get "adopted" for a rapid promotion.  Josh Smith is in the annointed category and his promotion to SG2 seems absurdly accelerated in my view as he hadn't really proved anything at FL level. Brooks is also in this category as was Coote a few years back and Hackett many years back. Darren England also enjoys "annointed" status but in his case there is obvious and genuine talent bursting through. It's just how it is and one would find similar scenarios in most professions with the rank and file ( in whose number I include myself ) sometimes scratching their collective heads thinking along the lines of " how on earth did s/he climb the greasy pole so quickly and on a lack of any evidence that I can see "

We all see it on a daily basis, except that we all know how and why it's happened.
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Re: Play offs
« Reply #20 on: Wed 05 May 2021 21:26 »
In case you can't sleep tonight worrying about the playoff refs this season, here is a list of the playoff refs since 2000 to help you. Seasons 2005/6 (Finals) and 2006/7 (Semis) were obviously vintage seasons so far as refs are concerned. The list appears at the top of General Discussion and I shall update the database once the present season has been concluded.

Play Off Referees 2000 to 2020

1999-2000
Div 1 Semi-finals – M Halsey, R Styles, B Knight, M Dean
          Final – T Heilbron
Div 2 Semi-finals – T Heilbron, M Dean, R Styles, D Laws
          Final – R Styles
Div 3 Semi-finals – D Laws, B Knight, M Halsey, T Heilbron
          Final – M Dean

2000-1
Div 1 Semi-finals – D Laws, D Pugh, R Pearson, P Danson
          Final – U Rennie
Div 2 Semi-finals – U Rennie, R Pearson, D Laws, E Wolstenholme
          Final – E Wolstenholme
Div 3 Semi-finals – W Burns, E Wolstenholme, U Rennie, D Pugh
          Final – D Pugh

2001-2
Div 1 Semi-finals – A Bates, R Furnandiz, A Leake, G Laws
           Final – G Barber
Div 2 Semi-finals – A Leake, G Laws, G Barber, M Dean
           Final – G Laws
Div 3 Semi-finals – M Dean, G Barber, A Hall, R Furnandiz
           Final – A Leake

2002-3
Div 1 Semi-finals – M Clattenburg, A Kaye, H Webb, P Walton
          Final – S Bennett
Div 2 Semi-finals – H Webb, S Bennett, J Winter, M Clattenburg
          Final – H Webb
Div 3 Semi-finals – J Winter, P Walton, M Fletcher, S Bennett,
          Final – A Kaye

2003-4
Div 1 Semi-finals – R Beeby, M Clattenburg, D Pugh, N Barry
          Final – G Poll
Div 2 Semi-finals – P Taylor, N Barry, G Poll, G Laws
          Final – R Beeby
Div 3 Semi-finals – G Laws, M Jones, M Pike, P Crossley
          Final – M Clattenburg

2004-5
Championship Semi-finals – U Rennie, A Marriner, S Dunn, R Beeby
                           Final – M Riley
L1 Semi-finals – M Jones, B Curson, A Leake, M Atkinson
     Final – P Crossley
L2 Semi-finals – G Laws, L Mason, P Crossley, B Knight
     Final – M Atkinson

2005-6
Championship Semi-finals – P Crossley, M Jones, M Thorpe, S Tanner
                           Final – M Dean
L1 Semi-finals – K Stroud, P Taylor, G Laws, C Foy
     Final – L Mason
L2 Semi-finals - L Mason, A Hall, M Dean, N Miller
     Final – P Taylor

2006-7
Championship Semi-finals – M Jones, S Tanner, A D’Urso, M Halsey
                           Final – G Poll
L1 Semi-finals - N Miller, I Williamson, G Poll, L Probert
     Final – A D’Urso
L2 Semi-finals – R Beeby, K Stroud, G Laws, T Kettle
     Final – M Jones

2007-8
Championship Semi-finals – M Jones, K Friend, H Webb, M Clattenburg
                           Final – A Wiley
L1 Semi-finals – P Taylor, A Bates, A Wiley, M Halsey
     Final – A D’Urso
L2 Semi-finals – P Armstrong, D Deadman, R Beeby, A D’Urso
     Final – S Attwell   

2008-9
Championship Semi-finals – A Marriner, M Atkinson, A Wiley, M Riley
                           Final – M Dean
L1 Semi-finals – S Mathieson, C Oliver, M Halsey, N Swarbrick
      Final – M Oliver
L2 Semi-finals – G Laws, K Friend, C Webster, M Oliver
     Final – C Oliver

2009 -10
Championship Semi-finals – P Dowd, A Wiley, M Clattenburg, H Webb
                          Final – A Marriner
L1 Semi-finals – J Linington, D Deadman, N Swarbrick, A Bates
      Final – C Webster
L2 Semi-finals – A D’Urso, C Webster, F Graham, E Ilderton
     Final – J Linington           

2010-11
Championship Semi-finals – M Dean, A Marriner, M Halsey, H Webb
                           Final – P Dowd
L1 Semi-finals – M Russell, J Moss, N Swarbrick, C Webster
     Final – S Tanner
L2 Semi-finals – S Mathieson, R East, K Wright, R Booth
     Final – D Deadman

2011-12
Championship Semi-finals – N Swarbrick, M Halsey, M Dean, C Foy
                           Final – H Webb
L1 Semi-finals – A Bates, D Deadman, N Miller, S Mathieson
     Final – R East
L2 Semi-finals – M Naylor, J Adcock, D Drysdale, A D’Urso
     Final – C Pawson

2012-3
Championship Semi-finals – N Swarbrick, M Oliver x 2, M Clattenburg
                           Final – M Atkinson
 L1 Semi-finals – S Attwell, G Eltringham, P Gibbs, N Miller
       Final – A D’Urso
L2 Semi-finals – J Adcock, M Russell, G Scott, A Madley
     Final – K Stroud

2013-4
Championship Semi-finals – R East, M Jones, M Clattenburg, C Pawson
                           Final – L Mason
L1 Semi-finals – G Salisbury, I Williamson, M Russell, K Stroud
     Final – D Coote
L2 Semi-finals – O Langford, C Boyeson, S Duncan, P Tierney
     Final – M Naylor

2014-5
Championship Semi-finals – J Moss, A Taylor, L Mason, R East
                           Final – M Dean
L1 Semi-finals – M Haywood, D Bond, A D’Urso, K Hill
      Final – A Madley
L2 Semi-finals – P Bankes, N Miller, K Stroud, G Scott
     Final – S Hooper

2015-6
Championship Semi-finals – A Marriner, N Swarbrick, R East, M Oliver
                           Final – R Madley
L1 Semi-finals – P Bankes, D Whitestone, D Deadman, T Robinson
      Final – S Attwell
L2 Semi-finals – O Langford, S Martin, P Tierney, E Ilderton
     Final – I Williamson

2016-7
Championship Semi-finals – S Attwell, P Tierney, M Atkinson, A Marriner
                           Final – N Swarbrick
L1 Semi-finals – A Madley, O Langford, C Kavanagh, D Coote
     Final – S Hooper
L2 Semi-finals – N Miller, D Webb, D Deadman, D Whitestone
     Final – D England

2017-8
Championship Semi-finals – R East, R Madley, C Kavanagh, M Dean
                           Final – A Taylor
L1 Semi-finals – S Hooper, T Robinson, J Simpson, S Duncan
     Final – R Jones
L2 Semi-finals – B Toner, D England, G Ward, D Drysdale
     Final - D Webb

2018-9
Championship Semi-finals – G Scott, C Pawson, C Kavanagh, A Taylor
                           Final - P Tierney
L1 Semi-finals – A Woolmer, O Langford, P Bankes, G Ward
     Final – A Madley
L2 Semi-Finals – C Breakspear, J Busby, M Salisbury, E Ilderton
     Final – R Joyce

2019/20
Championship Semi-finals – K Stroud, G Eltringham, C Kavanagh, P Tierney
                           Final – M Atkinson
L1 Semi-finals – A Harrington, G Ward, D England, D Bond
     Final – R Jones
L2 Semi-finals – J Smith, M Edwards, L Doughty, C Breakspear
     Final – M Salisbury

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Re: Play offs
« Reply #21 on: Wed 05 May 2021 22:37 »
Championship: Attwell
League 1: Brooks/Gilbert
League 2: Hicks or Breakspear

Gilbert Napthine?
Now there is an interesting character from the past.

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« Reply #22 on: Thu 06 May 2021 08:29 »
Championship: Attwell
League 1: Brooks/Gilbert
League 2: Hicks or Breakspear

Gilbert Napthine?
Now there is an interesting character from the past.


Saw Napthine only once, at Highbury. He had a very good match I seem to recall. Being located in the middle of England ( Loughborough ) wasn't he one of that band of referees who officiated at every League ground in the country?

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« Reply #23 on: Thu 06 May 2021 09:10 »
Championship: Attwell
League 1: Brooks/Gilbert
League 2: Hicks or Breakspear

Gilbert Napthine?
Now there is an interesting character from the past.


Saw Napthine only once, at Highbury. He had a very good match I seem to recall. Being located in the middle of England ( Loughborough ) wasn't he one of that band of referees who officiated at every League ground in the country?

I wonder which team he supported.  I don't recall seeing him at OT but I'm sure he must have refereed there.
This from 2013:

https://www.loughboroughecho.net/news/local-news/royal-honour-silebyman-gilbert-napthine-6259608


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« Reply #24 on: Thu 06 May 2021 10:04 »
He was still observing as recently as 2018/19. I think he has packed up since though

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« Reply #25 on: Thu 06 May 2021 10:20 »
Championship: Attwell
League 1: Brooks/Gilbert
League 2: Hicks or Breakspear

Gilbert Napthine?
Now there is an interesting character from the past.


Saw Napthine only once, at Highbury. He had a very good match I seem to recall. Being located in the middle of England ( Loughborough ) wasn't he one of that band of referees who officiated at every League ground in the country?

I wonder which team he supported.  I don't recall seeing him at OT but I'm sure he must have refereed there.
This from 2013:

https://www.loughboroughecho.net/news/local-news/royal-honour-silebyman-gilbert-napthine-6259608


What a delightful story. It's good to see someone who has given so much to the game of football, receiving such recognition. I am sure he felt enormously honoured.  Tempus fugit; the referee I remember had a shock of black hair !  Napthine is, to me, a most unusual name. I have never ever come across it apart from Gilbert.

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Re: Play offs
« Reply #26 on: Thu 06 May 2021 15:07 »
In case you can't sleep tonight worrying about the playoff refs this season, here is a list of the playoff refs since 2000 to help you. Seasons 2005/6 (Finals) and 2006/7 (Semis) were obviously vintage seasons so far as refs are concerned. The list appears at the top of General Discussion and I shall update the database once the present season has been concluded.

Play Off Referees 2000 to 2020

1999-2000
Div 1 Semi-finals – M Halsey, R Styles, B Knight, M Dean
          Final – T Heilbron
Div 2 Semi-finals – T Heilbron, M Dean, R Styles, D Laws
          Final – R Styles
Div 3 Semi-finals – D Laws, B Knight, M Halsey, T Heilbron
          Final – M Dean

2000-1
Div 1 Semi-finals – D Laws, D Pugh, R Pearson, P Danson
          Final – U Rennie
Div 2 Semi-finals – U Rennie, R Pearson, D Laws, E Wolstenholme
          Final – E Wolstenholme
Div 3 Semi-finals – W Burns, E Wolstenholme, U Rennie, D Pugh
          Final – D Pugh

2001-2
Div 1 Semi-finals – A Bates, R Furnandiz, A Leake, G Laws
           Final – G Barber
Div 2 Semi-finals – A Leake, G Laws, G Barber, M Dean
           Final – G Laws
Div 3 Semi-finals – M Dean, G Barber, A Hall, R Furnandiz
           Final – A Leake

2002-3
Div 1 Semi-finals – M Clattenburg, A Kaye, H Webb, P Walton
          Final – S Bennett
Div 2 Semi-finals – H Webb, S Bennett, J Winter, M Clattenburg
          Final – H Webb
Div 3 Semi-finals – J Winter, P Walton, M Fletcher, S Bennett,
          Final – A Kaye

2003-4
Div 1 Semi-finals – R Beeby, M Clattenburg, D Pugh, N Barry
          Final – G Poll
Div 2 Semi-finals – P Taylor, N Barry, G Poll, G Laws
          Final – R Beeby
Div 3 Semi-finals – G Laws, M Jones, M Pike, P Crossley
          Final – M Clattenburg

2004-5
Championship Semi-finals – U Rennie, A Marriner, S Dunn, R Beeby
                           Final – M Riley
L1 Semi-finals – M Jones, B Curson, A Leake, M Atkinson
     Final – P Crossley
L2 Semi-finals – G Laws, L Mason, P Crossley, B Knight
     Final – M Atkinson

2005-6
Championship Semi-finals – P Crossley, M Jones, M Thorpe, S Tanner
                           Final – M Dean
L1 Semi-finals – K Stroud, P Taylor, G Laws, C Foy
     Final – L Mason
L2 Semi-finals - L Mason, A Hall, M Dean, N Miller
     Final – P Taylor

2006-7
Championship Semi-finals – M Jones, S Tanner, A D’Urso, M Halsey
                           Final – G Poll
L1 Semi-finals - N Miller, I Williamson, G Poll, L Probert
     Final – A D’Urso
L2 Semi-finals – R Beeby, K Stroud, G Laws, T Kettle
     Final – M Jones

2007-8
Championship Semi-finals – M Jones, K Friend, H Webb, M Clattenburg
                           Final – A Wiley
L1 Semi-finals – P Taylor, A Bates, A Wiley, M Halsey
     Final – A D’Urso
L2 Semi-finals – P Armstrong, D Deadman, R Beeby, A D’Urso
     Final – S Attwell   

2008-9
Championship Semi-finals – A Marriner, M Atkinson, A Wiley, M Riley
                           Final – M Dean
L1 Semi-finals – S Mathieson, C Oliver, M Halsey, N Swarbrick
      Final – M Oliver
L2 Semi-finals – G Laws, K Friend, C Webster, M Oliver
     Final – C Oliver

2009 -10
Championship Semi-finals – P Dowd, A Wiley, M Clattenburg, H Webb
                          Final – A Marriner
L1 Semi-finals – J Linington, D Deadman, N Swarbrick, A Bates
      Final – C Webster
L2 Semi-finals – A D’Urso, C Webster, F Graham, E Ilderton
     Final – J Linington           

2010-11
Championship Semi-finals – M Dean, A Marriner, M Halsey, H Webb
                           Final – P Dowd
L1 Semi-finals – M Russell, J Moss, N Swarbrick, C Webster
     Final – S Tanner
L2 Semi-finals – S Mathieson, R East, K Wright, R Booth
     Final – D Deadman

2011-12
Championship Semi-finals – N Swarbrick, M Halsey, M Dean, C Foy
                           Final – H Webb
L1 Semi-finals – A Bates, D Deadman, N Miller, S Mathieson
     Final – R East
L2 Semi-finals – M Naylor, J Adcock, D Drysdale, A D’Urso
     Final – C Pawson

2012-3
Championship Semi-finals – N Swarbrick, M Oliver x 2, M Clattenburg
                           Final – M Atkinson
 L1 Semi-finals – S Attwell, G Eltringham, P Gibbs, N Miller
       Final – A D’Urso
L2 Semi-finals – J Adcock, M Russell, G Scott, A Madley
     Final – K Stroud

2013-4
Championship Semi-finals – R East, M Jones, M Clattenburg, C Pawson
                           Final – L Mason
L1 Semi-finals – G Salisbury, I Williamson, M Russell, K Stroud
     Final – D Coote
L2 Semi-finals – O Langford, C Boyeson, S Duncan, P Tierney
     Final – M Naylor

2014-5
Championship Semi-finals – J Moss, A Taylor, L Mason, R East
                           Final – M Dean
L1 Semi-finals – M Haywood, D Bond, A D’Urso, K Hill
      Final – A Madley
L2 Semi-finals – P Bankes, N Miller, K Stroud, G Scott
     Final – S Hooper

2015-6
Championship Semi-finals – A Marriner, N Swarbrick, R East, M Oliver
                           Final – R Madley
L1 Semi-finals – P Bankes, D Whitestone, D Deadman, T Robinson
      Final – S Attwell
L2 Semi-finals – O Langford, S Martin, P Tierney, E Ilderton
     Final – I Williamson

2016-7
Championship Semi-finals – S Attwell, P Tierney, M Atkinson, A Marriner
                           Final – N Swarbrick
L1 Semi-finals – A Madley, O Langford, C Kavanagh, D Coote
     Final – S Hooper
L2 Semi-finals – N Miller, D Webb, D Deadman, D Whitestone
     Final – D England

2017-8
Championship Semi-finals – R East, R Madley, C Kavanagh, M Dean
                           Final – A Taylor
L1 Semi-finals – S Hooper, T Robinson, J Simpson, S Duncan
     Final – R Jones
L2 Semi-finals – B Toner, D England, G Ward, D Drysdale
     Final - D Webb

2018-9
Championship Semi-finals – G Scott, C Pawson, C Kavanagh, A Taylor
                           Final - P Tierney
L1 Semi-finals – A Woolmer, O Langford, P Bankes, G Ward
     Final – A Madley
L2 Semi-Finals – C Breakspear, J Busby, M Salisbury, E Ilderton
     Final – R Joyce

2019/20
Championship Semi-finals – K Stroud, G Eltringham, C Kavanagh, P Tierney
                           Final – M Atkinson
L1 Semi-finals – A Harrington, G Ward, D England, D Bond
     Final – R Jones
L2 Semi-finals – J Smith, M Edwards, L Doughty, C Breakspear
     Final – M Salisbury

The regularity with which the names Langford and Ward appear on this list fills me with horror!

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Re: Play offs
« Reply #27 on: Thu 06 May 2021 15:49 »
Kavanagh seems to have had a 2nd leg 3 years on the trott as well. 👍🏻

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Re: Play offs
« Reply #28 on: Thu 06 May 2021 20:15 »
Championship: Attwell
League 1: Brooks/Gilbert
League 2: Hicks or Breakspear

Gilbert Napthine?
Now there is an interesting character from the past.


Saw Napthine only once, at Highbury. He had a very good match I seem to recall. Being located in the middle of England ( Loughborough ) wasn't he one of that band of referees who officiated at every League ground in the country?

I wonder which team he supported.  I don't recall seeing him at OT but I'm sure he must have refereed there.
This from 2013:

https://www.loughboroughecho.net/news/local-news/royal-honour-silebyman-gilbert-napthine-6259608

Maybe not at OT, but I certainly saw him referee Palace v Man Utd at Selhurst Park in Sept 1985, League Cup 2nd rd 1st leg which Utd won 1-0. He had a good game. Vic Callow refereed the 2nd leg which I also saw and which Man Utd won 1-0 again.
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Re: Play offs
« Reply #29 on: Fri 07 May 2021 11:45 »
He was still observing as recently as 2018/19. I think he has packed up since though
No one has done much observing since 2018/19.  Maybe he will reappear.