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Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
« Reply #30 on: Tue 01 Jun 2021 18:10 »
I rather thought KH would draw some harsh words.

Personally, I find his views often inconsistent and contradictory.  I don't regard all he says as trash though and admit to occasionally catching up on his twitter a/c, as well as that of Mark Halsey.

In this instance, one could argue about the exact order, but his top 5, unlike some of the later comments, wasn't unreasonable, although I only had Oliver and Attwell in my own choice.

What follows though is bewildering. Moss to me had a decent season and Hooper very much improved.  I can't say I've been particularly impressed with Scott but I don't consider he's been bad enough to be demoted.  As for Jones, as others have said, how can you demote someone who's had little chance so far to prove himself?

Smiled when I read Hackett's opinion of Andre Marriner.  Again, a good season from someone who would be unlikely to win the 100m but is often in a good position to make decisions.  Usually a very safe pair of hands.

As for needing more coaching, Darren England looks to have real potential and Pawson was in my top 5 as he has noticeably developed over the last couple of seasons in my view.  I didn't really see enough of Andrew Madley.  He was ok from what I did see but comments on here suggest his performances were variable.

Perhaps I should stop reading Hackett's tweets and put the time to better use.
 

Anyone who is not in need of "more coaching" is either:
1) Perfect (but see "2" below)
2) Deluded
3) Retired
4) Keith Hackett (but see "2" above)
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Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
« Reply #31 on: Tue 01 Jun 2021 19:50 »
It won't have made the headlines, as it was a Fourth Division match, but Hackett oversaw three of the biggest injustices I ever witnessed on a football pitch.

Saturday 28th December 1985, Stockport County v Rochdale. Both teams in the promotion hunt at the time.

Stockport had a forward called Barry Diamond, who was on loan from Rochdale. Quite why we allowed him to play is a mystery. Rumours abounded that he had been causing issues in our dressing room, hence him being loaned out.

Fifteen minutes into the game, Diamond ran into our captain, Joe Cooke (a fine 1970s/80s player for many clubs), and threw himself to the ground. The County fans were in uproar even though most of them must have been watching an attack unfold further up the field.

Now I know I could be accused of bias, but I like to think I'm pretty fair when it comes to matters about my team. I saw the whole incident as it happened and Cooke didn't do anything except be in the way.

The nearest linesman (who was Stephen Lodge) didn't wave his flag vigorously as often happens with incidents of this nature. Hackett was further up the field with the attack, but he went to speak to Lodge, before sending Cooke off the field.

Now Lodge might have seen something, but I'm sure he would have brought it to Hackett's attention much sooner than when he went over. It was always my view - and still is 36 years later - that Hackett went off the crowd reaction.

We didn't cope with 10 men and County deserved their 3-0 win. Two of their goals were penalties ..... after 'fouls' on Diamond!

I asked Hackett about this game on Twitter once, but he just said he couldn't remember it. I told him that was understandable after all these years, but that I had got a photographic memory of it if he wanted me to fill in the details. He didn't reply!

I often think about this game when he's slagging off other officials on Twitter! Maybe I'll mention it to him again...
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Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
« Reply #32 on: Tue 01 Jun 2021 21:07 »

I asked Hackett about this game on Twitter once, but he just said he couldn't remember it. I told him that was understandable after all these years, but that I had got a photographic memory of it if he wanted me to fill in the details. He didn't reply!

I often think about this game when he's slagging off other officials on Twitter! Maybe I'll mention it to him again...

He never remembers these things. When you do point out mistakes he made or simply disagree with him he either ignores you (if you're lucky) or launches into his he alone was perfect, introduced every positive thing into refereeing since time began (he's even claimed VAR as his idea...), how rosy it was under his management, how strict it was in his day, etc and how dare some no name sunday league ref question the almighty FIFA ref who has never erred ever. It's one of the reasons I have no time for him or anything he says anymore. It's actually a shame to see really.
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Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
« Reply #33 on: Tue 01 Jun 2021 22:30 »
And having sat in his "illustrious" presence it was the same vitriol from the podium.
Only good thing was it was usually one of the FAs training officers up next, who were always going to get a much better ride after Hackett's pronouncements. I remember Ray Olivier having to try and crack a funny just to break the mood (and those who know Ray, lovely guy that he is, would realise stand up comedy was not his vocation)
Kevin Lynch however did a very good impression of Hackett at a post dinner speech once, Keith's face was like a pitbul chewing on a nest of wasps

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Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
« Reply #34 on: Tue 01 Jun 2021 22:49 »
He is completely out of touch with modern refereeing.  When he refereed things were totally different in terms of the expectations of referees, and they are also vastly different from when he ran PGMOL.  Aside from anything else, just look at fitness levels, back in Hackett's days many referees can only really be described as overweight.  These days I see the likes of Moss, Mason and Hooper regularly "body shamed" for their appearance, but they are positively slim compared to many referees from 20 years ago.

On top of that, the expectation of how referees manage games has completely changes since Hackett was involved.  He just strikes me as a man bitter from his removal as head of PGMOL, someone who will look to criticise at any possible opportunity.
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Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
« Reply #35 on: Tue 01 Jun 2021 23:07 »

I asked Hackett about this game on Twitter once, but he just said he couldn't remember it. I told him that was understandable after all these years, but that I had got a photographic memory of it if he wanted me to fill in the details. He didn't reply!

I often think about this game when he's slagging off other officials on Twitter! Maybe I'll mention it to him again...

He never remembers these things. When you do point out mistakes he made or simply disagree with him he either ignores you (if you're lucky) or launches into his he alone was perfect, introduced every positive thing into refereeing since time began (he's even claimed VAR as his idea...), how rosy it was under his management, how strict it was in his day, etc and how dare some no name sunday league ref question the almighty FIFA ref who has never erred ever. It's one of the reasons I have no time for him or anything he says anymore. It's actually a shame to see really.

Why do I keep thinking about the old saying "Tha' can allus tell a Yorkshireman but tha' can't tell 'im much" ----it must be the Lancastrian in my blood!
Referee's decision used to be final!
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Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
« Reply #36 on: Thu 03 Jun 2021 02:43 »
Going on the direction of the OP, and games alone, I don't actually think Chris Kavanagh has been anywhere near as bad as people on here are making out.

I think he's been very unfortunate in that he's been ill advised by numerous VAR's and has subsequently overturned his original decision. My gut feeling tells me that this could be a directive from above, given the small number of decisions we have seen not be overturned once the VAR monitor has been consulted? Just a hunch I have.

I'm not saying he's been the best on the SG this season, as I don't think that has been the case, but I also don't think he's been anywhere near the worst, or in the bottom 3 either.
His appointment to the PlayOff Final shows that he's had a decent season, merit wise?
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Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
« Reply #37 on: Thu 03 Jun 2021 10:43 »
He is completely out of touch with modern refereeing. 

So much so that he is currently spouting off about the age of PL referees and saying FIFA enforce retirement at age 45. FIFA did away with the retirement age in December 2014!! He has so far ignored that minor fact being pointed out to him.
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Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
« Reply #38 on: Thu 03 Jun 2021 11:10 »
He is completely out of touch with modern refereeing. 

So much so that he is currently spouting off about the age of PL referees and saying FIFA enforce retirement at age 45. FIFA did away with the retirement age in December 2014!! He has so far ignored that minor fact being pointed out to him.

I've just read one tweet where he's criticising a referee for not sprinting enough....
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Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
« Reply #39 on: Thu 03 Jun 2021 13:37 »
He is completely out of touch with modern refereeing. 

So much so that he is currently spouting off about the age of PL referees and saying FIFA enforce retirement at age 45. FIFA did away with the retirement age in December 2014!! He has so far ignored that minor fact being pointed out to him.

I've just read one tweet where he's criticising a referee for not sprinting enough....


Hackett did for sprinting what Dame Margot Fonteyn did for industrial boiler making !
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