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Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
« Reply #15 on: Mon 24 May 2021 22:39 »
As I have watched the sum total of zero PL games this season I'm not in a position to answer but going on bmb favouritism alone...

1. Marriner
2. Pawson
3. Attwell
4. Hooper
5. Oliver


It's as accurate as any other method I suspect. It's pretty much all subjective assessments .
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Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
« Reply #16 on: Tue 25 May 2021 14:29 »
Top 3
Mariner
Oliver
Attwell


Bottom 3
Coote
Mason
Kavanagh
My views are my own and not that of rate the ref .
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Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
« Reply #17 on: Tue 25 May 2021 15:14 »
For my two-pennyworth:

1. Oliver      I think he's been a cut above the rest this season

2. Marriner   Always liked his 'no fuss' style and he doesn't get much wrong

3. Dean       Might have had the odd blip but consistently good as he has been for years.

Rob Jones hasn't come on as I thought he might but it's a big jump to SG1 and he wouldn't be the first to take a little time to adapt. A few more games might have helped!
England has done pretty well in his first season at the top table.
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Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
« Reply #18 on: Tue 25 May 2021 16:34 »
I would have to say the most improved official has been Attwell.

Given the shambles of his tutelage under the Lord Elleray, he has made steady progress forward and can probably be very happy with his season.

Certainly not the finished article, but time is in his side. 
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Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
« Reply #19 on: Wed 26 May 2021 14:52 »
I'll divide mine up into 3 categories:

Excellent, Meh and Disappointing

Excellent: mostly solid but as they are only human 1 or 2 mistakes along the way

Meh: could have been better and I expected better but not too shabby
But may not be their own fault

Disappointing: just Disappointing

Excellent
Oliver
Friend
Moss
Attwell
Pawson
Marriner

Meh
Atkinson
Taylor
Dean
Tierney
Bankes
Madley
Scott
Hooper
England
Coote

Disappointing
Kavanagh
Mason
Jones


BREAKDOWN

Excellent: All had a good season: Oliver and Marriner consistently good, Attwell and Pawson were excellent on their day but got fewer chances than I would've liked(Pawson lost time due to COVID and Attwell was forgotten from March onwards nearly!) Friend and Moss had a few horrors but were better than all those below them

Meh: Atkinson because of COVID, Taylor is currently in a very very rough patch, Dean because of his horror week in February and general simple mistakes now and again, Tierney for a below average cup final and more simple mistakes and his 2 injuries, all of the rest just didn't get enough chances to prove themselves. Shootouts though to Hooper for his best season yet, Coote on moving up the ranks recently, Bankes on his FIFA badge and England on best rookie

Disappointing: I won't go into Mason. Kavanagh has just been generally woeful and then Jones got few chances and pre April made a lot of mistakes when given one

Ref of Season: Michael Oliver
Biggest Improvement: Stuart Attwell/ Simon Hooper
Best Rookie: Darren England
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Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
« Reply #20 on: Tue 01 Jun 2021 15:19 »
I was curious to read Keith Hackett's view on our SG1 referees in response to one of his followers.  This presumably refers to the 20/21 season.

https://twitter.com/HACKETTREF

here is my top 5:
Michael Oliver
Martin Atkinson,
Mike Dean
Anthony Taylor
Stuart Attwell.


Nothing too controversial perhaps in the above.  His following observations however may raise a few eyebrows!

Moss-Hooper-Scott, Jones should be demoted
Mason will be VAR only.
Marriner has lost his pace and ready for retirement.
England, Madley, Pawson need more Coaching


Mr Hackett was of course Head of PGMOL before Mike Riley. 


 

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Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
« Reply #21 on: Tue 01 Jun 2021 15:39 »


Mr Hackett was of course Head of PGMOL before Mike Riley. 


 


He is now a very sad bitter old man who will say anything to try and keep himself relevant.  He stopped being relevant to referees many years ago & instead became a laughing stock.  The vast majority of those lapping up his tweets are ref hating football fans who seem to love him, the only exception being some other bitter ex match officials who have an axe to grind with Riley, which says it all. I used to have a huge amount of respect for him but stopped reading his trash many years ago.

Anyway Andre has never had pace, he's always been too chilled to have pace!
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Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
« Reply #22 on: Tue 01 Jun 2021 15:42 »
I was curious to read Keith Hackett's view on our SG1 referees in response to one of his followers.  This presumably refers to the 20/21 season.

https://twitter.com/HACKETTREF

here is my top 5:
Michael Oliver
Martin Atkinson,
Mike Dean
Anthony Taylor
Stuart Attwell.


Nothing too controversial perhaps in the above.  His following observations however may raise a few eyebrows!

Moss-Hooper-Scott, Jones should be demoted
Mason will be VAR only.
Marriner has lost his pace and ready for retirement.
England, Madley, Pawson need more Coaching


Mr Hackett was of course Head of PGMOL before Mike Riley.


Well, they are Hackett's opinions and I for one set little store by them even if he once held the position as Head of PGMOL. Ludicrous to say Jones should be demoted when he hasn't had the chance to properly prove himself at this level. Marriner lost his pace?? He never had any did he ? Still an extremely fine referee.  And as for Moss being demoted. Hackett really is a "voice crying in the wilderness " here. I have more chance of Boris Johnson ennobling me and putting me in his Cabinet than of Moss being demoted by the present regime. For the avoidance of any doubt, an offer, both the ennoblement and the Cabinet position I would never dream of accepting.
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Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
« Reply #23 on: Tue 01 Jun 2021 15:50 »
For me, one referee who absolutely deserves a mention is Hooper. This is the first season he has looked comfortable at PL level and it’s credit to him. Of all refs, he is also one who seems to enjoy being on the field and has developed what appears to be a good rapport with the players.

For me, ref of the season should be a toss up between Pawson and Attwell. Pawson has looked very comfortable this season (could the absence of crowds play a part?) and Attwell very much an improved official.

Oliver - decent enough season but many penalties given that, whilst not overturned by VAR, would certainly not have been given by VAR either!

Atkinson steady as per usual - shame about his absence for a few weeks but he is such a reliable performer. Friend was also steady this season. England definitely the newbie to settle best to PL life, Jones needs more opportunities to gain confidence (I remember he was appointed to Chelsea-Southampton as his first PL appointment this season before being replaced by Bankes for some reason - his season could’ve turned out totally differently if he’d been able to keep his appointment!)

Going forward from here, I do feel an increase in SG1 officials is needed - maybe promote 3 to replace Mason. If specialist VAR is the way forward, I’m sure many of the late 40s/early 50s refs will see this as a great opportunity to extend their career!
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Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
« Reply #24 on: Tue 01 Jun 2021 15:56 »
My memory fails me again: I have no recollection whatsoever of Mr Hackett's great pace.
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Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
« Reply #25 on: Tue 01 Jun 2021 15:56 »
I was curious to read Keith Hackett's view on our SG1 referees in response to one of his followers.  This presumably refers to the 20/21 season.

https://twitter.com/HACKETTREF

here is my top 5:
Michael Oliver
Martin Atkinson,
Mike Dean
Anthony Taylor
Stuart Attwell.


Nothing too controversial perhaps in the above.  His following observations however may raise a few eyebrows!

Moss-Hooper-Scott, Jones should be demoted
Mason will be VAR only.
Marriner has lost his pace and ready for retirement.
England, Madley, Pawson need more Coaching


Mr Hackett was of course Head of PGMOL before Mike Riley.

Scott has improved. Moss will never be demoted as long as the present are still in charge. Hooper has been one of the highlights of the season In a good way. Jones came up in August and has had little or nothing games. This man hasn't a clue!

Marriner is a better ref than he ever was. Mike Dean was nowhere near a top 5 ref this season. Anthony Taylor has been poor more times than good.

This man needs to stop saying things to try keep himself relevant.
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Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
« Reply #26 on: Tue 01 Jun 2021 16:26 »


Mr Hackett was of course Head of PGMOL before Mike Riley. 


 


He is now a very sad bitter old man who will say anything to try and keep himself relevant.  He stopped being relevant to referees many years ago & instead became a laughing stock.  The vast majority of those lapping up his tweets are ref hating football fans who seem to love him, the only exception being some other bitter ex match officials who have an axe to grind with Riley, which says it all. I used to have a huge amount of respect for him but stopped reading his trash many years ago.

Anyway Andre has never had pace, he's always been too chilled to have paced!


Pace is over-rated. 

An Assessor once said of me:  "For someone with no discernible sprint or change of pace, you do seem to manage to be able to be in roughly the right place at roughly the right time".  I think that comes under the heading of "damning with faint praise" !!
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Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
« Reply #27 on: Tue 01 Jun 2021 16:32 »
I rather thought KH would draw some harsh words.

Personally, I find his views often inconsistent and contradictory.  I don't regard all he says as trash though and admit to occasionally catching up on his twitter a/c, as well as that of Mark Halsey.

In this instance, one could argue about the exact order, but his top 5, unlike some of the later comments, wasn't unreasonable, although I only had Oliver and Attwell in my own choice.

What follows though is bewildering. Moss to me had a decent season and Hooper very much improved.  I can't say I've been particularly impressed with Scott but I don't consider he's been bad enough to be demoted.  As for Jones, as others have said, how can you demote someone who's had little chance so far to prove himself?

Smiled when I read Hackett's opinion of Andre Marriner.  Again, a good season from someone who would be unlikely to win the 100m but is often in a good position to make decisions.  Usually a very safe pair of hands.

As for needing more coaching, Darren England looks to have real potential and Pawson was in my top 5 as he has noticeably developed over the last couple of seasons in my view.  I didn't really see enough of Andrew Madley.  He was ok from what I did see but comments on here suggest his performances were variable.

Perhaps I should stop reading Hackett's tweets and put the time to better use.
   

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Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
« Reply #28 on: Tue 01 Jun 2021 17:34 »
My memory fails me again: I have no recollection whatsoever of Mr Hackett's great pace.


In equine terms Hackett most often operated at a walk breaking in to the occasional trot. On one or two very rare occasions he may have attempted a canter though I doubt he ever found a gallop.  In non-equine terms, he mainly exhibited a plod.
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Re: PL referee of the season 2020-21
« Reply #29 on: Tue 01 Jun 2021 17:37 »


Mr Hackett was of course Head of PGMOL before Mike Riley. 


 


He is now a very sad bitter old man who will say anything to try and keep himself relevant.  He stopped being relevant to referees many years ago & instead became a laughing stock.  The vast majority of those lapping up his tweets are ref hating football fans who seem to love him, the only exception being some other bitter ex match officials who have an axe to grind with Riley, which says it all. I used to have a huge amount of respect for him but stopped reading his trash many years ago.

Anyway Andre has never had pace, he's always been too chilled to have paced!


Pace is over-rated. 

An Assessor once said of me:  "For someone with no discernible sprint or change of pace, you do seem to manage to be able to be in roughly the right place at roughly the right time".  I think that comes under the heading of "damning with faint praise" !!


Feinting with damn praise more like I would say.
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