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Peter Wright Sunderland v Ipswich
« on: Fri 06 Nov 2020 16:13 »
 Penalty to Sunderland for a defender heading the ball against his team mates hand. Oh dear oh dear.
   I can see why Ipswich were so incensed about the decision but we were on the back of two horrendously bad decisions last season that ultimately cost us four points and basically promotion into the Championship.
 Good decision though on the sending off of Andre Dozzell and I don't think the Ipswich complaints were justified.
 
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Re: Peter Wright Sunderland v Ipswich
« Reply #1 on: Fri 06 Nov 2020 17:23 »
Quote from: robbieg on Fri 06 Nov 2020 16:13
Penalty to Sunderland for a defender heading the ball against his team mates hand. Oh dear oh dear.
   I can see why Ipswich were so incensed about the decision but we were on the back of two horrendously bad decisions last season that ultimately cost us four points and basically promotion into the Championship.
 Good decision though on the sending off of Andre Dozzell and I don't think the Ipswich complaints were justified.

The "handball" was one of the worst penalty decisions I have ever seen.

The red card for Dozzell was incredibly harsh both in isolation and in the context of everything else in the game. It is reported that Mike Jones had personally told Paul Lambert that he disagreed with the decision.
The coin used by the appeals team came down the wrong way.

As autologically named referees go, this one couldn't be more wrong.
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Re: Peter Wright Sunderland v Ipswich
« Reply #2 on: Fri 06 Nov 2020 18:13 »
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It is an offence if a player:
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• touches the ball with their hand/arm when:
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• the hand/arm is above/beyond their shoulder level (unless the player deliberately plays the ball which then touches their hand/arm)
The above offences apply even if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm directly from the head or body (including the foot) of another player who is close.
Hand is above shoulder level - it's a penalty.

As for the red card, when you're lunging in like this...

...and your foot is high enough that it rolls over the top of the ball and you take the opponent out, I don't think you can argue too much about it being a sending off. The only caveat to that for me is that I've only seen a slow-mo replay, which makes it difficult to judge the amount of force in the tackle.
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Re: Peter Wright Sunderland v Ipswich
« Reply #3 on: Fri 06 Nov 2020 18:36 »
Quote from: ARF on Fri 06 Nov 2020 18:13
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It is an offence if a player:
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• touches the ball with their hand/arm when:
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• the hand/arm is above/beyond their shoulder level (unless the player deliberately plays the ball which then touches their hand/arm)
The above offences apply even if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm directly from the head or body (including the foot) of another player who is close.
Hand is above shoulder level - it's a penalty.

As for the red card, when you're lunging in like this...

...and your foot is high enough that it rolls over the top of the ball and you take the opponent out, I don't think you can argue too much about it being a sending off. The only caveat to that for me is that I've only seen a slow-mo replay, which makes it difficult to judge the amount of force in the tackle.

Not much. He's falling backwards at the time:

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Re: Peter Wright Sunderland v Ipswich
« Reply #4 on: Fri 06 Nov 2020 19:35 »
He's tackled straight legged with a high foot, you are always in trouble if that makes contact and the referee sees it.  The handball is harsh, but his arm is up high so again is taking a big risk.
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Re: Peter Wright Sunderland v Ipswich
« Reply #5 on: Sat 07 Nov 2020 18:43 »
Quote from: rustyref on Fri 06 Nov 2020 19:35
He's tackled straight legged with a high foot, you are always in trouble if that makes contact and the referee sees it.  The handball is harsh, but his arm is up high so again is taking a big risk.

There can be no-one in football, bar maybe a few referees and administrators, who think that is the type of offence that the handball law is intended to penalise.

Especially galling when a tackle just as reckless and dangerous against Ipswich today isn't even penalised, a penalty far more blatant isn't given and they are knocked out by a clearly offside goal.

Very poor from Abbas Khan and I don't think Andy Haines has got many, if any, seasons ahead of him.
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Re: Peter Wright Sunderland v Ipswich
« Reply #6 on: Sat 07 Nov 2020 19:51 »
UEFA President Aleksander Ceferin has written to FIFA counterpart Gianni Infantino, asking the game’s governing body to adjust the handball law. It follows a rise in what Ceferin deems “unfair decisions” against players.

https://lastwordonsports.com/football/2020/11/05/uefa-asks-fifa-to-adjust-handball-law-to-prevent-more-unfair-decisions/

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Re: Peter Wright Sunderland v Ipswich
« Reply #7 on: Sun 08 Nov 2020 07:09 »
Quote from: nemesis on Sat 07 Nov 2020 18:43
Quote from: rustyref on Fri 06 Nov 2020 19:35
He's tackled straight legged with a high foot, you are always in trouble if that makes contact and the referee sees it.  The handball is harsh, but his arm is up high so again is taking a big risk.

There can be no-one in football, bar maybe a few referees and administrators, who think that is the type of offence that the handball law is intended to penalise.

Especially galling when a tackle just as reckless and dangerous against Ipswich today isn't even penalised, a penalty far more blatant isn't given and they are knocked out by a clearly offside goal.

Very poor from Abbas Khan and I don't think Andy Haines has got many, if any, seasons ahead of him.

How was the 'winner* not offside?
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Re: Peter Wright Sunderland v Ipswich
« Reply #8 on: Sun 08 Nov 2020 14:37 »
The performance by Andy Haines was as poor as I have seen at Portman Road for a long time. Oh yes Mr Young last season!!

How he and his ARs missed a blatant penalty, a possible red card challenge and the clearly 'offside' goal baffles me. As Matt Holland commented ' he's given nothing all day but a foul throw!'

It is one of those performances where it would be interesting to read the assessors report.
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Re: Peter Wright Sunderland v Ipswich
« Reply #9 on: Sun 08 Nov 2020 15:52 »
Rather laughably Haines said that he didn't give the penalty because the Ipswich player did the first foul.  He certainly didn't blow for a free kick for that non existent foul.

As for the possible red card challenge, I'm really not sure of Haines' logic of it not being a foul because the Portsmouth player got to the ball first.  He was certainly off the ground for that challenge.

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Re: Peter Wright Sunderland v Ipswich
« Reply #10 on: Sun 08 Nov 2020 16:06 »
Haines is another referee I feel has overstayed his time as a EFL referee. He is in his early 50’s and cleverly isn’t good enough to go any higher and when he puts in performances like that you wonder how his marks are high enough for him not to be demoted??
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