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I think that we are all fed up with talking about VAR, so I won't....

The people implementing and operating var in the english game are spoiling football.

I thought the var was supposed to help the on field referee by seeing what he has missed and the assistant var
Was there to adjudicate for offsides.
In which case last night the avar would correctly see the villa player was offside when putting the ball in the net.
What was the var ( additional referee ) looking at, he should have been checking for foul play.
If it was deemed the west ham defender wasnt fouling the attacker prior to the ball being crossed then all
Defenders are now allowed to hold attackers to prevent them scoring without committing a foul.
If a penalty had been given, would the defender have been red carded for dogso?
Before the cross was played you would say no, but the events that occurred proved it was.
I guess w ham next opponents might feel hard done by if there had been a sending off?

It seems nothing has been learnt from the van dijk incident in the liverpool derby, where eyes seem to be closed
In the var dept apart from looking at the offside.

One other side line, players will not remain on their feet but go to ground when fouled, unless referees give
The fouls committed if they remain on their feet. Referees are their worst enemies here.
( sorry my pet hate and has been since the days before i hung up my whistle ).

Quote from: ajb95 on Wed 02 Dec 2020 08:27

Quote from: Claretman on Tue 01 Dec 2020 22:34

The people implementing and operating var in the english game are spoiling football.

I thought the var was supposed to help the on field referee by seeing what he has missed and the assistant var
Was there to adjudicate for offsides.
In which case last night the avar would correctly see the villa player was offside when putting the ball in the net.
What was the var ( additional referee ) looking at, he should have been checking for foul play.
If it was deemed the west ham defender wasnt fouling the attacker prior to the ball being crossed then all
Defenders are now allowed to hold attackers to prevent them scoring without committing a foul.
If a penalty had been given, would the defender have been red carded for dogso?
Before the cross was played you would say no, but the events that occurred proved it was.
I guess w ham next opponents might feel hard done by if there had been a sending off?

It seems nothing has been learnt from the van dijk incident in the liverpool derby, where eyes seem to be closed
In the var dept apart from looking at the offside.

One other side line, players will not remain on their feet but go to ground when fouled, unless referees give
The fouls committed if they remain on their feet. Referees are their worst enemies here.
( sorry my pet hate and has been since the days before i hung up my whistle ).

Can you with confidence, say it was definitely offside? I can’t

I can't either.......the more lines they put on there the more confusing it gets.
It is a complete shambles

Not having seen this, do I take it that the alleged foul / holding was happening before the ball was played forward?
Presumably if the offence only started after ball contact when passed, offside, if it was, occurred first and the penalty wouldn't be considered anyway.
Or was it happening before and continued after the ball was played?

Apologies if this is not relevant, but I've not seen the film clip.

My take on this was that it couldn't be deemed a clear an obvious error as at the time of the holding the ball was out on the wing.  I don't ever remember seeing a penalty given where the ball is that far away simply because the match officials can't possible see it as they aren't looking at it.  Potentially the assistant might be, but no assistant is going to flag for a penalty when the ball is on the wing.

Agree with you readingfan, i thought it was the var responsibility to check everything when a goal is scored, not just the offside, in case any infringement has taken place that the on field officials may have missed.

I remain totally confused 😳