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Re: P TIERNEY - Man U v Brighton
« Reply #15 on: Sun 07 Aug 2022 22:56 »
Not sure I blame the officials, they still appear to be scared about what will happen to them if they recommend a review.  Or if they are the referee, what will happen if they look at the review and stick with original decision.  Its a leadership problem, and that will continue until Mike Riley's replacement is in place.

You don’t need a ceo above you to tell you that’s a penalty. a blind man reffing a Sunday league match down the local park would have given that.

You cannot Defend blatant incompetence
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Re: P TIERNEY - Man U v Brighton
« Reply #16 on: Mon 08 Aug 2022 12:56 »
Just about as obvious as it can get. You also have to ask what is the Assistant on that side watching, as he would’ve had an unbelievably good view to help Tierney out in real time.

If that s not a penalty at Old Trafford this season, then Ronaldo is going to cry a lots for the tumbles he takes in the penalty area. All three involved (R, AR & VAR) should be have a weeks rest.

At L4, that would be a missed KMI and a substandard mark.
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Re: P TIERNEY - Man U v Brighton
« Reply #17 on: Mon 08 Aug 2022 14:07 »
Just about as obvious as it can get. You also have to ask what is the Assistant on that side watching, as he would’ve had an unbelievably good view to help Tierney out in real time.

If that s not a penalty at Old Trafford this season, then Ronaldo is going to cry a lots for the tumbles he takes in the penalty area. All three involved (R, AR & VAR) should be have a weeks rest.

At L4, that would be a missed KMI and a substandard mark.

Don't be silly, accountability doesn't exist in the PGMOL. If they gave them a week off then there would only be a handful of referees available. Tierney would have had most of last season off if that was the case.

Not sure you can blame Hatzidakis as he probably thought Tierney had a clear view (which he did).

Not sure what planet John Brooks was on, must have been too busy falling asleep having watched Man United in the first half.

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Re: P TIERNEY - Man U v Brighton
« Reply #18 on: Mon 08 Aug 2022 14:12 »
Just about as obvious as it can get. You also have to ask what is the Assistant on that side watching, as he would’ve had an unbelievably good view to help Tierney out in real time.

Tierney shouldn't have needed it he was looking straight at it, just as he was in Spurs vs Liverpool last season. Tierney obviously thinks barging through the back of people is allowed. Its not like Hatzidakis is a reliable assistant referee however, as shown in Forest vs Bournemouth last season.
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Re: P TIERNEY - Man U v Brighton
« Reply #19 on: Mon 08 Aug 2022 14:31 »
Thought Paul Tierney didn't have the best of games. His foul detection wasn't great and didn't fill me with confidence whenever a decision was made. With regards to the Mctominay incident, I feel it's one of those decisions where whatever the referee gives on-field won't be overturned. Thought it was a blatant penalty and still can't work out as to why he, his assistant nor the VAR didn't give it. Felt they took to long to decide whether or not the Man Utd goal should stand especially when they were checking for offside even though the ball was in the net by the time Harry Maguire tried to get something on it.
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Re: P TIERNEY - Man U v Brighton
« Reply #20 on: Mon 08 Aug 2022 18:26 »
Not sure I blame the officials, they still appear to be scared about what will happen to them if they recommend a review.  Or if they are the referee, what will happen if they look at the review and stick with original decision.  Its a leadership problem, and that will continue until Mike Riley's replacement is in place.

You don’t need a ceo above you to tell you that’s a penalty. a blind man reffing a Sunday league match down the local park would have given that.

You cannot Defend blatant incompetence

They have seemingly been told to set a high bar.  If your boss at work tells you to do something and you don't then you are accountable and face sanctions, referees are no different.  At work you might miss out on promotion, get a written warning, not get a bonus, etc, an SG1 referee will be taken off games.  Remember when Graham Scott decided not to follow VAR advice, he wasn't seen in the middle for ages even though he was arguably correct to stick by his decision.

It isn't right, but it seems pretty clear referees in England are scared of using VAR as it is used in other countries, and that can only come down to management.
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Re: P TIERNEY - Man U v Brighton
« Reply #21 on: Tue 09 Aug 2022 10:37 »
Not sure I blame the officials, they still appear to be scared about what will happen to them if they recommend a review.  Or if they are the referee, what will happen if they look at the review and stick with original decision.  Its a leadership problem, and that will continue until Mike Riley's replacement is in place.

You don’t need a ceo above you to tell you that’s a penalty. a blind man reffing a Sunday league match down the local park would have given that.

You cannot Defend blatant incompetence

They have seemingly been told to set a high bar.  If your boss at work tells you to do something and you don't then you are accountable and face sanctions, referees are no different.  At work you might miss out on promotion, get a written warning, not get a bonus, etc, an SG1 referee will be taken off games.  Remember when Graham Scott decided not to follow VAR advice, he wasn't seen in the middle for ages even though he was arguably correct to stick by his decision.

It isn't right, but it seems pretty clear referees in England are scared of using VAR as it is used in other countries, and that can only come down to management.

A blatant and forceful shoulder charge combined with a strong push into a player's back with no attempt to play the ball is about as high as the bar can reach, in my opinion.
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Re: P TIERNEY - Man U v Brighton
« Reply #22 on: Tue 09 Aug 2022 17:49 »
Not sure I blame the officials, they still appear to be scared about what will happen to them if they recommend a review.  Or if they are the referee, what will happen if they look at the review and stick with original decision.  Its a leadership problem, and that will continue until Mike Riley's replacement is in place.

You don’t need a ceo above you to tell you that’s a penalty. a blind man reffing a Sunday league match down the local park would have given that.

You cannot Defend blatant incompetence

They have seemingly been told to set a high bar.  If your boss at work tells you to do something and you don't then you are accountable and face sanctions, referees are no different.  At work you might miss out on promotion, get a written warning, not get a bonus, etc, an SG1 referee will be taken off games.  Remember when Graham Scott decided not to follow VAR advice, he wasn't seen in the middle for ages even though he was arguably correct to stick by his decision.

It isn't right, but it seems pretty clear referees in England are scared of using VAR as it is used in other countries, and that can only come down to management.

A blatant and forceful shoulder charge combined with a strong push into a player's back with no attempt to play the ball is about as high as the bar can reach, in my opinion.

It is a high bar.  I’m not sure if an explanation has been provided by the PGMOL about this incident, but this “high bar” really has the potential to make VAR officials look foolish (or more foolish for some) throughout the season.

As with the Championship play off final, the speed of the review seemed to me to be anything but thorough.