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Re: P TIERNEY: LFC V AFC
« Reply #60 on: Wed 12 Apr 2023 07:40 »
If this happened between 2 players on the pitch would this place be so quick to play down the violent conduct?
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Re: P TIERNEY: LFC V AFC
« Reply #61 on: Wed 12 Apr 2023 07:57 »
While I respect Whistleblower’s opinion on the right to defend yourself, I was always warned as a player that it was the retaliator (i.e. the man “defending himself” in some circumstances} who got sent off.
I have written previously about the use of elbows by players and accept that in this case the elbow contact may have been accidental but the arm should not have been used. We will never know what went through his mind in that brief moment and I hope the consequences are not too severe, he is one of the better AR’s .
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Re: P TIERNEY: LFC V AFC
« Reply #62 on: Wed 12 Apr 2023 12:17 »
There is an excellent piece by Martin Samuel in today's Times making the case that football should follow other team sports such as rugby and hockey in the protocols firmly established and enforced about inter-reaction between players and match officials particularly in regard of the role of the Captains. Well worth reading.

I think the Football Authorities have a lot to answer for here in decreeing that games should be managed which seems to entail an acceptance of dissent by word and action and a aggressive attitude not receiving proper sanctions.
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Re: P TIERNEY: LFC V AFC
« Reply #63 on: Wed 12 Apr 2023 12:26 »
Also a similar piece in yesterdays Mail

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Re: P TIERNEY: LFC V AFC
« Reply #64 on: Wed 12 Apr 2023 12:40 »
From what I’ve seen, this unfortunate incident has been blown out of all proportion. To break it down, angry, shouty man approaches the AR and grabs at his arm. AR naturally attempts to free himself from and get away from angry, shouty man and in doing so, his arm swings back and catches angry, shouty man who despite being the aggressor, now becomes the victim.

Given that the incident was sparked by Robertson making a grab for the AR in the first place, surely he should be under investigation too rather than just the AR for defending his personal space?
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Re: P TIERNEY: LFC V AFC
« Reply #65 on: Wed 12 Apr 2023 16:59 »
While I respect Whistleblower’s opinion on the right to defend yourself, I was always warned as a player that it was the retaliator (i.e. the man “defending himself” in some circumstances} who got sent off.
I have written previously about the use of elbows by players and accept that in this case the elbow contact may have been accidental but the arm should not have been used. We will never know what went through his mind in that brief moment and I hope the consequences are not too severe, he is one of the better AR’s .

There's a bit of difference though.  Contact between players throughout the game is expected, unwanted contact between a player and match official isn't and shouldn't be happening.
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Re: P TIERNEY: LFC V AFC
« Reply #66 on: Wed 12 Apr 2023 18:27 »
If this happened between 2 players on the pitch would this place be so quick to play down the violent conduct?

If that happened between two players on the field of play, it would not be treated as violent conduct.  That's despite one of the player falling to the ground as if shot - which is what would have happened had it been an Arsenal player and not the AR.

Remember also a Manchester United player adopted a similar action when an AR (unwisely) made contact with him.  Despite calls to do so, the FA ignored this offence and no player punishment ensured.  This does allow some to run an argument that no action should be taken in this case.  It might also be why the Liverpool player felt it was OK to grab the ARs arm.

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Re: P TIERNEY: LFC V AFC
« Reply #67 on: Wed 12 Apr 2023 20:32 »
It doesn't take much to confuse old Tweed but using the AR acronym when it works for Assistant Referee and Andy Robertson  had me perplexed for a minute...
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Re: P TIERNEY: LFC V AFC
« Reply #68 on: Thu 13 Apr 2023 20:20 »
No further action for Hatzadakis

Absolutely ridiculous. Good sport from Hatzadakis apologising but again if this was the other way around, there'd be uproar!
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« Reply #69 on: Thu 13 Apr 2023 20:47 »
No further action for Hatzadakis

Absolutely ridiculous. Good sport from Hatzadakis apologising but again if this was the other way around, there'd be uproar!

It wasn't Hatzadakis's fault that a player grabbed him. It looks bad but I'm certain he did not elbow him on purpose and clearly all the evidence the FA has supports that hypothesis.
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Re: P TIERNEY: LFC V AFC
« Reply #70 on: Thu 13 Apr 2023 21:04 »
I’m a bit torn on the verdict. Part of me is glad the official has been backed but part of me feels it’s not a good look that he’s received no sanction at all.
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Re: P TIERNEY: LFC V AFC
« Reply #71 on: Thu 13 Apr 2023 21:08 »
I’m a bit torn on the verdict. Part of me is glad the official has been backed but part of me feels it’s not a good look that he’s received no sanction at all.
He was sanctioned in that he was stood down from this set of fixtures, even players are allowed to continue to play whilst being investigated.
My views are my own and not that of rate the ref .
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Re: P TIERNEY: LFC V AFC
« Reply #72 on: Thu 13 Apr 2023 21:13 »
No further action for Hatzadakis

Absolutely ridiculous. Good sport from Hatzadakis apologising but again if this was the other way around, there'd be uproar!
It wouldn’t be the other way around though would it? Officials don’t approach players aggressively,grabbing their arm do they ? If someone grabs you then naturally you would pull away ,the evidence points to this being what happened, only those with a different agenda will try and turn it into something else.
My views are my own and not that of rate the ref .
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Re: P TIERNEY: LFC V AFC
« Reply #73 on: Thu 13 Apr 2023 21:32 »
No further action for Hatzadakis

Absolutely ridiculous. Good sport from Hatzadakis apologising but again if this was the other way around, there'd be uproar!
It wouldn’t be the other way around though would it? Officials don’t approach players aggressively,grabbing their arm do they ? If someone grabs you then naturally you would pull away ,the evidence points to this being what happened, only those with a different agenda will try and turn it into something else.

If an official in any way touches a player (which happens regularly with no issues on either side) who doesn't want yo be touched and they brush the ref away like what is judged to have happened with CH, the card is out, its happened before, will continue to happen. I get that Robertson was a tad aggressive, he got booked, move on.
And the assistant ref has been stood down and investigated and found to have no case to answer , move on .
My views are my own and not that of rate the ref .
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Re: P TIERNEY: LFC V AFC
« Reply #74 on: Thu 13 Apr 2023 22:23 »
No further action for Hatzadakis

Absolutely ridiculous. Good sport from Hatzadakis apologising but again if this was the other way around, there'd be uproar!
It wouldn’t be the other way around though would it? Officials don’t approach players aggressively,grabbing their arm do they ? If someone grabs you then naturally you would pull away ,the evidence points to this being what happened, only those with a different agenda will try and turn it into something else.

If an official in any way touches a player (which happens regularly with no issues on either side) who doesn't want yo be touched and they brush the ref away like what is judged to have happened with CH, the card is out, its happened before, will continue to happen. I get that Robertson was a tad aggressive, he got booked, move on.
Its simple players should not be touching officials and vice versa, on the field of play during playing time, a handshake at the end of the perhaps.
Officials should also not be trying to seperate players in melees either, stand back, observe and act with sanctions if necessary, avoids all physical contact with officials.
If players cannot control themselves then they have only themselves to blame if sanctioned.
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