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Author Topic: P TIERNEY - Everton v Man City  (Read 3705 times)

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Re: P TIERNEY - Everton v Man City
« Reply #30 on: Sun 27 Feb 2022 10:34 »
Please can we forget "green zones" and other such nonsense and examine the facts?  The Manchester City player deliberately (perhaps instinctively, but certainly deliberately) moved his arm towards the ball and played it with that arm.

That was a penalty 90 years ago and it was a penalty 40 years ago and it is a penalty today.  No-one would have had a reasonable argument had that been given; the defending team might have moaned, but they 100% would have expected the same outcome at the other end of the field.

Some Premier League referees are evading big decisions and relying on VAR to bail them out.  VAR officials are focusing on "the process" and getting some decisions wrong.  When these two events collide, you end up with what happened last evening.

There needs to be a failsafe "sniff test" in place.  If it looks like a pig, snorts like a pig and smells like a pig, then it almost certainly is a pig.  The same applies here.
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Re: P TIERNEY - Everton v Man City
« Reply #31 on: Sun 27 Feb 2022 10:54 »
What planet is VAR on at “Shockley Park” about the Rodri handball.

Absolutely ludicrous decision not to refer it to the monitor. Looked pretty clear cut to me.

A classic case of officials being on planet referee not planet common sense.

I can understand what Kavanagh was obviously thinking - we can't be 100% sure that the ball struck the defender's arm (below the 't-shirt'-ish line), so determining that it wasn't a clear and obvious error, and clear the situation.

But that's so far away from reality on two levels:
1) it almost definitely did hit Rodri quite far down his arm; football definitely expects a penalty there, I'm sure
2) Tierney completely (understandably!) missed the incident; if there is such a nip-and-tuck level of doubt as here, especially on such a big call, use the serious missed incident clause and call Tierney to view the situation (for the first time!! he missed it on the FoP) at the RRA

Unfortunately, that's a big mistake, Mr Kavanagh... by being more critically thinking, he could have avoided the whole SG1 squad a big controversy there! One can hear the (absurd; Hanlon's razor ;)) conspiracy theorists already on social media...

"...almost definitely did...."? That sounds to me like an alternative for "might have" in which case, the benefit of any doubt, however small, is not unreasonable in my opinion. Having just seen the incident, I have to agree with BMB's comment (quote: "Some views it does not look like a handball because it looks in the green zone, other's it's blatant.").
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Re: P TIERNEY - Everton v Man City
« Reply #32 on: Sun 27 Feb 2022 11:39 »
Great to see that VAR, changes of Laws and their interpretation etc., etc. ad nauseam have really helped to eliminate any wrong decsions, mistakes or whatever from a very simple game. Long may it continue.
Referee's decision used to be final!

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Re: P TIERNEY - Everton v Man City
« Reply #33 on: Sun 27 Feb 2022 13:49 »
Speaking as a City fan we have had some poor decisions against us this season (as have most teams) but nothing as poor as this one. For me it was a penalty every day and we got a very big get out of jail free card. Feel gutted for a Everton in their struggle to stay up and this hasn’t helped.
That said what folk are overlooking is that Ederson would have saved the penalty so it’s all a bit immaterial really. 🤪
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Re: P TIERNEY - Everton v Man City
« Reply #34 on: Sun 27 Feb 2022 14:45 »
Great to see that VAR, changes of Laws and their interpretation etc., etc. ad nauseam have really helped to eliminate any wrong decsions, mistakes or whatever from a very simple game. Long may it continue.

I suspect that the introduction of VAR has resolved most incorrect decisions, but has magnified unresolved mistakes 100-fold.

Not all incidents can be satisfactorily officiated, no matter how you apply VAR. For those that should be, but otherwise go uncorrected, the fallout is significantly worse than any similar outcomes pre-VAR.

In short, there are fewer incorrect outcomes in English football, but coaches and fans are probably less happy now than they were pre-VAR.

No matter the tinkering, I’m not sure that is resolvable.

I expect Scotland to introduce VAR in July, and I predict that there will be greater attention and even less satisfaction with officials’ decisions.
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Re: P TIERNEY - Everton v Man City
« Reply #35 on: Sun 27 Feb 2022 16:39 »
Personally I have no allegiance to either of these clubs. In fact I care for neither of them. However, I do have a very strong sense of fairness, justice and common sense. In relation to the incident in issue yesterday I saw none.
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Re: P TIERNEY - Everton v Man City
« Reply #36 on: Mon 28 Feb 2022 00:43 »
http://mygdesign.co.uk/posters/downloads/ManCityOffside.mp4

I've been out of the loop for a while, but I believe that could be an offside signal from Tierney.
« Last Edit: Mon 28 Feb 2022 00:47 by flipmode »
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Re: P TIERNEY - Everton v Man City
« Reply #37 on: Mon 28 Feb 2022 08:24 »
http://mygdesign.co.uk/posters/downloads/ManCityOffside.mp4

I've been out of the loop for a while, but I believe that could be an offside signal from Tierney.

Yes this came AFTER the penalty incident and was the restart of play, so penalty could still have been given
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Re: P TIERNEY - Everton v Man City
« Reply #38 on: Mon 28 Feb 2022 08:58 »
Speaking as a City fan we have had some poor decisions against us this season (as have most teams) but nothing as poor as this one. For me it was a penalty every day and we got a very big get out of jail free card. Feel gutted for a Everton in their struggle to stay up and this hasn’t helped.
That said what folk are overlooking is that Ederson would have saved the penalty so it’s all a bit immaterial really. 🤪

Or perhaps you'd have subbed Ederson and bought on your 'specialist' penalty saver to do the job  :) :) :)
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Re: P TIERNEY - Everton v Man City
« Reply #39 on: Mon 28 Feb 2022 10:47 »
http://mygdesign.co.uk/posters/downloads/ManCityOffside.mp4

I've been out of the loop for a while, but I believe that could be an offside signal from Tierney.

Yes this came AFTER the penalty incident and was the restart of play, so penalty could still have been given

Wasn't it Richarlison in the lead up to the penalty who was offside?
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Re: P TIERNEY - Everton v Man City
« Reply #40 on: Mon 28 Feb 2022 12:25 »
Well Dermott didn't sit on the fence today.  "It was a penalty". 

They showed the 2 images that bmb linked, and Dermott wondered whether VAR had been "seduced" by the one that was inconclusive rather than focusing on the one that was conclusive. Everton have written to PGMOL apparently requesting comment and an apology.  Can't say I blame them except all it does is highlight the mistake. 

Much deserved praise by DG for Stuart Attwell for his calmness and the way he judged the temperature of the game and dealt with players. They showed the 2 incidents involving Keita, debating a possible RC.  Quite rightly in my view, Dermott, while opining it was not a RC, acknowledged it should have been a YC for one of the challenges.

ps. the question of offside was never discussed.


 
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Re: P TIERNEY - Everton v Man City
« Reply #41 on: Mon 28 Feb 2022 13:33 »
http://mygdesign.co.uk/posters/downloads/ManCityOffside.mp4

I've been out of the loop for a while, but I believe that could be an offside signal from Tierney.

flipmode, this was reported in the Press yesterday:

The Premier League have now announced that there was "not clear enough evidence to show conclusively that it was handball".

Frank Lampard was furious with the decision and called it "incompetence at best".

He said: "I was calm, I was not shouting and ranting at him. I wanted to know if offside in the build up but I have been told it wasn't in the build up".

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Re: P TIERNEY - Everton v Man City
« Reply #42 on: Mon 28 Feb 2022 14:10 »
http://mygdesign.co.uk/posters/downloads/ManCityOffside.mp4

I've been out of the loop for a while, but I believe that could be an offside signal from Tierney.

Yes this came AFTER the penalty incident and was the restart of play, so penalty could still have been given

Wasn't it Richarlison in the lead up to the penalty who was offside?

I'm sure someone will correct me if I've got the chronology wrong at all.

I believe there was a possible question mark if Richarliason was offside earlier in the move.

There was then the possible handball.

Play then continued and was eventually stopped for an offside against an Everton player, at which point Tierney didn't allow play to restart until VAR had finished checking the incident.

VAR felt there wasn't clear evidence of a handball and so play restarted from the point it had been stopped - i.e. the offside offence which was penalised.

If the first one had been offside then I suspect we'd have had confirmation by now as I think the PL would be keen to get that out there. But we can say for certain that VAR didn't make a judgement on the offside part of it.
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Re: P TIERNEY - Everton v Man City
« Reply #43 on: Mon 28 Feb 2022 15:06 »
Readingfan, than chimes with what Lampard claims the referee said to him.  "I wanted to know if offside in the build up but I have been told it wasn't in the build up".
The inference being there was an offside but after the penalty claim.

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Re: P TIERNEY - Everton v Man City
« Reply #44 on: Mon 28 Feb 2022 18:31 »
Well Dermott didn't sit on the fence today.  "It was a penalty". 

They showed the 2 images that bmb linked, and Dermott wondered whether VAR had been "seduced" by the one that was inconclusive rather than focusing on the one that was conclusive. Everton have written to PGMOL apparently requesting comment and an apology.  Can't say I blame them except all it does is highlight the mistake. 

Much deserved praise by DG for Stuart Attwell for his calmness and the way he judged the temperature of the game and dealt with players. They showed the 2 incidents involving Keita, debating a possible RC.  Quite rightly in my view, Dermott, while opining it was not a RC, acknowledged it should have been a YC for one of the challenges.

ps. the question of offside was never discussed.


All I would add is if one is going to get "seduced" by that, then the seduction bar has been set very low  ;)