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P Bankes - Wolves V Newcastle
« on: Sun 28 Aug 2022 15:58 »
I've seen it twice now but I love watching games when Kieran Trippier is playing with the armband.

On Wednesday against Tranmere and today he has stopped his team mates from crowding referee Mr Bankes!

Its very nice to see

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Re: P Bankes - Wolves V Newcastle
« Reply #1 on: Sun 28 Aug 2022 16:04 »
Newcastle should have had a penalty fairly early on for a blatant shirt pull in the box.  Peter was very lenient on what he considered a foul, probably a bit too lenient.  This made the disallowed goal by VAR appear a little inconsistent with some of his earlier decisions - albeit it was the correct decision to disallow the goal.
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Re: P Bankes - Wolves V Newcastle
« Reply #2 on: Sun 28 Aug 2022 16:09 »
How he didn’t give the foul that lead to the disallowed goal I will never know! A clear foul by the wolves player
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Re: P Bankes - Wolves V Newcastle
« Reply #3 on: Sun 28 Aug 2022 16:18 »
How he didn’t give the foul that lead to the disallowed goal I will never know! A clear foul by the wolves player

He could have done with some help from his AR who would be able to see the push more clearly. From memory,  the referee was looking at it from behind and was probably unsure because so many players fall over in situations similar to that in order to try to con the officials. In my opinion, the AR should definitely have seen it from his angle.
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Re: P Bankes - Wolves V Newcastle
« Reply #4 on: Sun 28 Aug 2022 16:41 »
With the way referees are interpreting the let the game flow orders that’s only a foul these days if it leads to a goal nowadays.
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Re: P Bankes - Wolves V Newcastle
« Reply #5 on: Sun 28 Aug 2022 23:28 »
From just the MOTD highlights, Bankes has gotten too much wrong in real time. The penalty is blatant holding, and how the the VAR then doesn’t come in to bail him out is a mystery - exactly what VAR is for. I thought the bad tackle was a RC for SFP as well, and the foul for the disallowed goal was an easy decision.

Like the forest handball, I think this is is a downside of VAR - the refs are just giving the ‘lesser’ decision and leaving it to VAR to ‘upgrade’, if needed, rather than make the correct/brave decision live.
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Re: P Bankes - Wolves V Newcastle
« Reply #6 on: Mon 29 Aug 2022 14:06 »
Fully agree with @arbitro_anglais really really poor from Peter Bankes carrying on his latest downward curve trend after getting far too involved as VAR the week before on Gillett red card which didn’t need intervention.

How he didn’t think they tackle was a straight red in the Wolves game !! But as people keep saying they don’t seem to make any big brave SFP decisions anymore, they all seem keen to let VAR deal which IMO is totally poor and not what VAR is designed for, ( hopefully this will change when Webb is in the folds, because MLS refs make he big decisions and get them right. He allows them the confidence to make a decision.

English refereeing is in serious decline - bar Oliver/Taylor and Gillett we don’t have anyone remotely credible for FIFA.
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Re: P Bankes - Wolves V Newcastle
« Reply #7 on: Mon 29 Aug 2022 14:39 »
Fully agree with @arbitro_anglais really really poor from Peter Bankes carrying on his latest downward curve trend after getting far too involved as VAR the week before on Gillett red card which didn’t need intervention.

How he didn’t think they tackle was a straight red in the Wolves game !! But as people keep saying they don’t seem to make any big brave SFP decisions anymore, they all seem keen to let VAR deal which IMO is totally poor and not what VAR is designed for, ( hopefully this will change when Webb is in the folds, because MLS refs make he big decisions and get them right. He allows them the confidence to make a decision.

English refereeing is in serious decline - bar Oliver/Taylor and Gillett we don’t have anyone remotely credible for FIFA.

We certainly are going to have a lot of players dismissed if we are going to dismiss them for challenging for a ball and standing on the foot of their opponent. Neto milked that situation to the full extent by holding his leg just under the knee, as is normal from some players/teams in modern football. He was so badly injured that he only managed to play for a further 38 minutes until his managed decided to substitute him in the 84th minute to enable Chan to come on and give a wonderful assist to Maximin.
Surely, in this day and age, when managers are always complaining about the number of games etc. they would remove any player carrying a bad injury to protect them from further damage, after all, they are only allowed 5 substitutes these days.

Referee's decision used to be final!
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Re: P Bankes - Wolves V Newcastle
« Reply #8 on: Mon 29 Aug 2022 14:57 »
Is it any surprise. Bankes is an average ref who was average in the championship. And will never be more than average. If wolves v Newcastle is beyond him don’t expect a long Uefa career

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Re: P Bankes - Wolves V Newcastle
« Reply #9 on: Mon 29 Aug 2022 16:20 »
Fully agree with @arbitro_anglais really really poor from Peter Bankes carrying on his latest downward curve trend after getting far too involved as VAR the week before on Gillett red card which didn’t need intervention.

How he didn’t think they tackle was a straight red in the Wolves game !! But as people keep saying they don’t seem to make any big brave SFP decisions anymore, they all seem keen to let VAR deal which IMO is totally poor and not what VAR is designed for, ( hopefully this will change when Webb is in the folds, because MLS refs make he big decisions and get them right. He allows them the confidence to make a decision.

English refereeing is in serious decline - bar Oliver/Taylor and Gillett we don’t have anyone remotely credible for FIFA.

We certainly are going to have a lot of players dismissed if we are going to dismiss them for challenging for a ball and standing on the foot of their opponent. Neto milked that situation to the full extent by holding his leg just under the knee, as is normal from some players/teams in modern football. He was so badly injured that he only managed to play for a further 38 minutes until his managed decided to substitute him in the 84th minute to enable Chan to come on and give a wonderful assist to Maximin.
Surely, in this day and age, when managers are always complaining about the number of games etc. they would remove any player carrying a bad injury to protect them from further damage, after all, they are only allowed 5 substitutes these days.

To be fair, we shouldn’t judge YC/RC by how injured someone subsequently is. Lots of players carry in after a RC challenge, but it doesn’t mean it wasn’t SFP.
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Re: P Bankes - Wolves V Newcastle
« Reply #10 on: Mon 29 Aug 2022 19:17 »
How he didn’t give the foul that lead to the disallowed goal I will never know! A clear foul by the wolves player

Because he hasn't been granted the x-ray vision skill yet?  If you watch the replay the push is between him and the Newcastle player, he has zero chance of seeing that.  That isn't to say that an AR couldn't have helped him out.

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Re: P Bankes - Wolves V Newcastle
« Reply #11 on: Tue 30 Aug 2022 12:14 »
Not the best two weeks for Bankes, though he did do well (I think?) in tense-context Panathinaikos vs. Slavia Prague game before it:

- simply poor performance in Fulham vs. Brentford as perfectly stated by TTFL, at least one missed RC and no control

- ridiculous intervention in Newcastle vs. Man City (assessed as correct by PGMOL 🤡s, and by football sphere tbf)

- missed intervention in Southampton vs. Man Utd for clear handball (also assessed as correct by 🤡s at PGMOL, and rightly assessed as clear mistake by football sphere, please stop insulting fans intelligence eg. by telling them juggling the ball isn't handling offence...)

- many mistakes as excellently outlined by Arbitre anglais/Observeref8  (there is hope for our refereeing if you are part of it!) in Wolves vs. Newcastle

So many of our (FIFA!!) referees would not survive in even 2nd/3rd divisions of middle-ranking UEFA nations!
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Re: P Bankes - Wolves V Newcastle
« Reply #12 on: Tue 30 Aug 2022 13:19 »
Not the best two weeks for Bankes, though he did do well (I think?) in tense-context Panathinaikos vs. Slavia Prague game before it:

- simply poor performance in Fulham vs. Brentford as perfectly stated by TTFL, at least one missed RC and no control

- ridiculous intervention in Newcastle vs. Man City (assessed as correct by PGMOL 🤡s, and by football sphere tbf)

- missed intervention in Southampton vs. Man Utd for clear handball (also assessed as correct by 🤡s at PGMOL, and rightly assessed as clear mistake by football sphere, please stop insulting fans intelligence eg. by telling them juggling the ball isn't handling offence...)

- many mistakes as excellently outlined by Arbitre anglais/Observeref8  (there is hope for our refereeing if you are part of it!) in Wolves vs. Newcastle

So many of our (FIFA!!) referees would not survive in even 2nd/3rd divisions of middle-ranking UEFA nations!

Exactly only 3 of our referees really deserve the Fifa badge, Oliver, Taylor and Pawson. To an extent Attwell and Tierney but the rest are as good as useless
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Re: P Bankes - Wolves V Newcastle
« Reply #13 on: Tue 30 Aug 2022 13:20 »
Not the best two weeks for Bankes, though he did do well (I think?) in tense-context Panathinaikos vs. Slavia Prague game before it:

- simply poor performance in Fulham vs. Brentford as perfectly stated by TTFL, at least one missed RC and no control

- ridiculous intervention in Newcastle vs. Man City (assessed as correct by PGMOL 🤡s, and by football sphere tbf)

- missed intervention in Southampton vs. Man Utd for clear handball (also assessed as correct by 🤡s at PGMOL, and rightly assessed as clear mistake by football sphere, please stop insulting fans intelligence eg. by telling them juggling the ball isn't handling offence...)

- many mistakes as excellently outlined by Arbitre anglais/Observeref8  (there is hope for our refereeing if you are part of it!) in Wolves vs. Newcastle

So many of our (FIFA!!) referees would not survive in even 2nd/3rd divisions of middle-ranking UEFA nations!


If the last sentence of this post is true then senior English refereeing is indeed in a parlous state but for my money the poster doth protest too much.So many of our ( FIFA !! ) referees not up to the standard of 2nd and 3rd divisions of middle-ranking UEFA nations !  I realise this is just an opinion backed up without a shred of empirical evidence but I am left wondering who are these referees? Surely not Taylor and Oliver, who are regularly appointed to major Finals,  neither I would say Pawson, Kavanagh Attwell or England. So whose left ? Are Madley, Bankes, Coote really not even 2nd/3rd division standard in other nations ? Perhaps so but somehow, from what I have seen from the lower ranking FIFA officials from other Uefa countries when they have refereed English teams, I doubt it.

I have gone on record as saying FIFA badges are handed out very easily these days but in England is it so much worse than everywhere else? Hmmmmm.
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Re: P Bankes - Wolves V Newcastle
« Reply #14 on: Tue 30 Aug 2022 13:24 »
Not the best two weeks for Bankes, though he did do well (I think?) in tense-context Panathinaikos vs. Slavia Prague game before it:

- simply poor performance in Fulham vs. Brentford as perfectly stated by TTFL, at least one missed RC and no control

- ridiculous intervention in Newcastle vs. Man City (assessed as correct by PGMOL 🤡s, and by football sphere tbf)

- missed intervention in Southampton vs. Man Utd for clear handball (also assessed as correct by 🤡s at PGMOL, and rightly assessed as clear mistake by football sphere, please stop insulting fans intelligence eg. by telling them juggling the ball isn't handling offence...)

- many mistakes as excellently outlined by Arbitre anglais/Observeref8  (there is hope for our refereeing if you are part of it!) in Wolves vs. Newcastle

So many of our (FIFA!!) referees would not survive in even 2nd/3rd divisions of middle-ranking UEFA nations!

Exactly only 3 of our referees really deserve the Fifa badge, Oliver, Taylor and Pawson. To an extent Attwell and Tierney but the rest are as good as useless

To describe Kavanagh and England " as good as useless " is as stunning a piece of hyperbole as I've read in a fair while in my opinion.
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