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P Bankes - Brighton V Sheffield United
« on: Sun 20 Dec 2020 12:57 »
Very surprised Bankes went yellow initially. It looked a clear red right away and all the signs were there. Poor decision by Bankes but correct by VAR.

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Re: P Bankes - Brighton V Sheffield United
« Reply #1 on: Sun 20 Dec 2020 13:01 »
Yeah, when even Roy Keane says he thought it was red immediately you know it is a bad one.  I would like to think Bankes would have gone red had he not had the failsafe of VAR to get him out of jail.

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Re: P Bankes - Brighton V Sheffield United
« Reply #2 on: Sun 20 Dec 2020 14:41 »
Why does the on-field Referee immediately show a card (of either colour) when a review is taking place, only to sometimes rescind it after viewing the pitchside monitor, as was the case today? Why not wait until the review etc. has been completed and then decide on what he's seen whether it's worthy of a caution or sending off and show a card accordingly? Just food for thought and discussion.

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Re: P Bankes - Brighton V Sheffield United
« Reply #3 on: Sun 20 Dec 2020 15:11 »
Because the decision is his to make & he should make his decision there and then.  If it turns out on review to be wrong then he has the opportunity to correct it.  If they stop making decisions on the field because they can review it first then there is no point in them being on the pitch, might just as well leave it all to someone sat in a box and add in a klaxon to signal a decision has been made with the decision flashing up on a big screen so the players know what it is!
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Re: P Bankes - Brighton V Sheffield United
« Reply #4 on: Sun 20 Dec 2020 19:02 »
Because the decision is his to make & he should make his decision there and then.  If it turns out on review to be wrong then he has the opportunity to correct it.  If they stop making decisions on the field because they can review it first then there is no point in them being on the pitch, might just as well leave it all to someone sat in a box and add in a klaxon to signal a decision has been made with the decision flashing up on a big screen so the players know what it is!

bmb --I seriously hope that 'they' do not read this board or know you very well because that will probably be their next move!  ;D
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Re: P Bankes - Brighton V Sheffield United
« Reply #5 on: Sun 20 Dec 2020 20:45 »
Because the decision is his to make & he should make his decision there and then.  If it turns out on review to be wrong then he has the opportunity to correct it.  If they stop making decisions on the field because they can review it first then there is no point in them being on the pitch, might just as well leave it all to someone sat in a box and add in a klaxon to signal a decision has been made with the decision flashing up on a big screen so the players know what it is!

bmb --I seriously hope that 'they' do not read this board or know you very well because that will probably be their next move!  ;D

Oh man! If it happens, we now know who to blame!
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« Reply #6 on: Sun 20 Dec 2020 21:06 »
Did anyone else notice that Bankes on 3 occasions blew up for free-kicks when Brighton had clear advantages!?  You would have thought after the first time he'd have just held fire a little longer, no?  And yellow card for time-wasting from Ramsdale that he'd been doing since the first minute, well that'll do a lot of good!
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Re: P Bankes - Brighton V Sheffield United
« Reply #7 on: Sun 20 Dec 2020 21:49 »
Did anyone else notice that Bankes on 3 occasions blew up for free-kicks when Brighton had clear advantages!?  You would have thought after the first time he'd have just held fire a little longer, no?  And yellow card for time-wasting from Ramsdale that he'd been doing since the first minute, well that'll do a lot of good!

The lawmakers in their wisdom changed the Law several years ago to say that a goalkick can be taken from anywhere in the 6 yard box because they said that it would quicken the game up.
It has had exactly the opposite effect, however, I think that it is wrong to caution a keeper for taking the ball to the other end of the box because he is not doing anything outside the Law.

Some teams get accused of  time wasting, however, one team the other night stopped their opposition taking several free kicks and then at the end of the game, because they were only drawing, wanted more time added on. There is more time wasted from throws in than goal kicks and it will continue.
Lots of time is wasted with VAR reviews, offside not being given until a move breaks down etc.and the more  they messs around with the Laws the worse it will get.
Referee's decision used to be final!
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Re: P Bankes - Brighton V Sheffield United
« Reply #8 on: Sun 20 Dec 2020 22:01 »
Did anyone else notice that Bankes on 3 occasions blew up for free-kicks when Brighton had clear advantages!?  You would have thought after the first time he'd have just held fire a little longer, no?  And yellow card for time-wasting from Ramsdale that he'd been doing since the first minute, well that'll do a lot of good!

The lawmakers in their wisdom changed the Law several years ago to say that a goalkick can be taken from anywhere in the 6 yard box because they said that it would quicken the game up.
It has had exactly the opposite effect, however, I think that it is wrong to caution a keeper for taking the ball to the other end of the box because he is not doing anything outside the Law.

Some teams get accused of  time wasting, however, one team the other night stopped their opposition taking several free kicks and then at the end of the game, because they were only drawing, wanted more time added on. There is more time wasted from throws in than goal kicks and it will continue.
Lots of time is wasted with VAR reviews, offside not being given until a move breaks down etc.and the more  they messs around with the Laws the worse it will get.

Agree with you ashington, tho i do have a problem with the keeper spotting the ball on the left side and then
Pick it up and moving it to the right side.
Referees never seem to me to add on sufficient time for var reviews or the time between the offence taking place and the time the game comes to halt, where a decision is corrected.
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Re: P Bankes - Brighton V Sheffield United
« Reply #9 on: Mon 21 Dec 2020 12:35 »
Yeah, when even Roy Keane says he thought it was red immediately you know it is a bad one.  I would like to think Bankes would have gone red had he not had the failsafe of VAR to get him out of jail.

I'd like to think Bankes wouldn't be influenced too much by that. I hope he is marked down for failing to make what was quite a clear decision. Referees still need to make strong on-field decisions - just in case the VAR has a David Coote sort moment! - and Stuart Attwell sending off Lewis Dunk for Brighton against Palace earlier in season was good example of that. Apparently VAR has had to upgrade 10 yellow cards to red this season which suggests the on-field detection of SFP/VC isn't very good (albeit some like Pepe was off-the-ball and exactly what VAR was intended for.)

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Re: P Bankes - Brighton V Sheffield United
« Reply #10 on: Tue 22 Dec 2020 09:31 »
Did anyone else notice that Bankes on 3 occasions blew up for free-kicks when Brighton had clear advantages!?  You would have thought after the first time he'd have just held fire a little longer, no?  And yellow card for time-wasting from Ramsdale that he'd been doing since the first minute, well that'll do a lot of good!

The lawmakers in their wisdom changed the Law several years ago to say that a goalkick can be taken from anywhere in the 6 yard box because they said that it would quicken the game up.
It has had exactly the opposite effect, however, I think that it is wrong to caution a keeper for taking the ball to the other end of the box because he is not doing anything outside the Law.

Some teams get accused of  time wasting, however, one team the other night stopped their opposition taking several free kicks and then at the end of the game, because they were only drawing, wanted more time added on. There is more time wasted from throws in than goal kicks and it will continue.
Lots of time is wasted with VAR reviews, offside not being given until a move breaks down etc.and the more  they messs around with the Laws the worse it will get.

I agree with your comment on the change of law re goal kicks. It has made things worse and given goalkeepers an opportunity to use up more time. However, I think a Referee is right to caution if he feels the goalkeeper is taking longer than necessary.

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Re: P Bankes - Brighton V Sheffield United
« Reply #11 on: Tue 22 Dec 2020 10:03 »
Did anyone else notice that Bankes on 3 occasions blew up for free-kicks when Brighton had clear advantages!?  You would have thought after the first time he'd have just held fire a little longer, no?  And yellow card for time-wasting from Ramsdale that he'd been doing since the first minute, well that'll do a lot of good!
Over the last month or so I have had the distinct impression that, at Premier League and Football League level, referees have been far keener to bring play back after an advantage has not occurred.  Sometimes (in my opinion) this has been done incorrectly - when the attacking team have simply failed to take an advantage due to their own failings.  I wonder if there has been some directive about not over-using advantage.
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