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When two yellows don't make red. Oops!
« on: Mon 19 Oct 2020 08:43 »
Looks like Mrs. Oliver may have some explaining to do. Just proves we're all human, I suppose.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/54594122
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Re: When two yellows don't make red. Oops!
« Reply #1 on: Mon 19 Oct 2020 09:39 »
Oh dear, I think she will have a couple of weeks off. Not good.  :'(
But what was the 4O doing, they are meant to warn her that she has had done this.

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« Reply #2 on: Mon 19 Oct 2020 09:45 »
Does the Senior AR still keep records of cautions and dismissals?

If so - that's 3 officials who have missed that - not good at all.
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Re: When two yellows don't make red. Oops!
« Reply #3 on: Mon 19 Oct 2020 10:04 »
Quote from: BAFRA #217 on Mon 19 Oct 2020 09:45
Does the Senior AR still keep records of cautions and dismissals?

If so - that's 3 officials who have missed that - not good at all.

We always did in my day in case we had to take over the game. I don't know what happens now. I would assume that's 4O's duties, if a 4O is appointed.
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Re: When two yellows don't make red. Oops!
« Reply #4 on: Mon 19 Oct 2020 10:29 »
Poor Lucy :(
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« Reply #5 on: Mon 19 Oct 2020 10:57 »
Very strange.  Lucy Oliver gave the yellow and the player looked as though she was walking off regardless.  Oliver checked her records and must have decided that she had cautioned someone else previously.
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« Reply #6 on: Mon 19 Oct 2020 11:01 »
Not the best of weekends for the Olivers with the controversy at Everton. 

What level is Lucy at bmb?  I assume this was quite a big game.
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« Reply #7 on: Mon 19 Oct 2020 14:14 »
The strange thing is that after the second yellow card the referee appeared to reach in her pocket for a red but then apparently changed her mind. She will have to do her time on the naughty step now I guess
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« Reply #8 on: Mon 19 Oct 2020 14:40 »
Quote from: Ref Fan on Mon 19 Oct 2020 11:01
Not the best of weekends for the Olivers with the controversy at Everton. 

What level is Lucy at bmb?  I assume this was quite a big game.

I have it my head she is level 3 but I could be completely wrong.
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« Reply #9 on: Mon 19 Oct 2020 16:56 »
Least it wasn’t as bad as the three card trick from Poll.
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« Reply #10 on: Mon 19 Oct 2020 17:10 »
Quote from: bmb on Mon 19 Oct 2020 14:40
Quote from: Ref Fan on Mon 19 Oct 2020 11:01
Not the best of weekends for the Olivers with the controversy at Everton. 

What level is Lucy at bmb?  I assume this was quite a big game.

I have it my head she is level 3 but I could be completely wrong.

Was Level 3 but no longer officiating on men's game.  Women's path have a new pyramid numbering.
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Re: When two yellows don't make red. Oops!
« Reply #11 on: Mon 19 Oct 2020 22:21 »
In every game here in NSW each official must keep a full record of the game. Not good enough at that level.
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« Reply #12 on: Tue 20 Oct 2020 09:22 »
Quote from: Whistleblower on Mon 19 Oct 2020 14:14
The strange thing is that after the second yellow card the referee appeared to reach in her pocket for a red but then apparently changed her mind. She will have to do her time on the naughty step now I guess

The way I looked at the video, after Mrs. Oliver goes towards her back pocket to (presumably) take out the red card, the player seems to gesture towards her that it wasn't she who was cautioned earlier and Mrs.Oliver appears to take her word for it without checking.
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Re: When two yellows don't make red. Oops!
« Reply #13 on: Tue 20 Oct 2020 09:35 »
Quote from: Seagull on Tue 20 Oct 2020 09:22
Quote from: Whistleblower on Mon 19 Oct 2020 14:14
The strange thing is that after the second yellow card the referee appeared to reach in her pocket for a red but then apparently changed her mind. She will have to do her time on the naughty step now I guess

The way I looked at the video, after Mrs. Oliver goes towards her back pocket to (presumably) take out the red card, the player seems to gesture towards her that it wasn't she who was cautioned earlier and Mrs.Oliver appears to take her word for it without checking.

That is certainly a very fair interpretation of what appeared to happen, but only the referee and the player will know for certain.
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Re: When two yellows don't make red. Oops!
« Reply #14 on: Tue 20 Oct 2020 17:07 »
What is baffling is that they have comms at that level. The 4th officials will always record cautions, but usually one of the assistants will be asked to as well.  Unless the comms wasn't working I just can't understand how one of the other officials hasn't spotted this and stopped her making such a monumental mistake.  It might have been more understandable had either of the cards been "flashed" at a group of players, but on both it was very clear who had been cautioned.
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