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Quote from: Readingfan on Sat 23 Jul 2022 11:59

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 Of course assistants do more than just judge offside and it might be that more emphasis is placed on these aspects as time progresses.

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Not that much more to be honest. Most seem reluctant to even award a throw-in until they've seen the referee point one way or the other.

As for indicating free-kicks, they are few and far in between. One of my pet dislikes is Assistants flagging furiously after the referee has blown for a foul but standing by doing nothing otherwise. Assistants, in my experience, when they do actually intervene it is usually to award a foul against a forward having ignored frequent defensive transgressions.

Just because they aren’t flagging doesn’t means they aren’t assisting, comms has changed that. They will generally only flag for a foul if it wouldn’t really be credible for the referee to give it.

On throw ins that is just teamwork, and certainly better than one signalling one way and the other the opposite way. And again, they will often be talking over comms before either signals.

"There isn't the money in Leagues One and Two". I hear you, but my answer to that is why the heck not? There is enough money at all levels of professional football to justify a decent officiating budget every year. Especially with every manager and pundit bemoaning officials performance every week. More money and a pathway increases standards.

This is what I would do... we need to start paying these people properly

18 x SG1 referees - £150,000 a year retainer + £1,500 a match  (£750 as a 4th official, £1,000 as a VAR)
32 x SG1 assistants - £60,000 a year + £700 per match
4 x SG1 dedicated VARs - £70,000 a year + £1,000 a match

20 x SG2 referees - £70,000 a year + £750 per match (£375 as a 4th)
36 x SG2 assistants - £35,000 a year + £375 per match

36 x SG3 ("NL") referees - £45,000 a year + £375 per match (£200 as a 4th)
60 x SG3 assistants - £25,000 a year + £200 per match

20 x National League referees - £28,000 a year + £200 per match
36 x National League assistants - £125 per match

That costs about £16M a season. A drop in the ocean in comparison to everything else in the game.

For a number of people I know at Level 2A , these salary levels would not be sufficient for them to leave their full-time employment. They are in professional practices and will be earning well above these levels now, with the opportunities to continue their career. Leaving to join as a FT referee would kill that career development. The FA/PMGOL need to decide if they want the best officials or the most available officials which they can train up. This has been the decision for a number of years..

Joe Worrell had to take a huge pay cut to become a FT referee in the beginning of the EPL. He was a partner in a firm of Chartered Accountants ... I don't think a person in their late 20's would make that choice now, they would stay as they are. that is why so many referees coming up have jobs within the CFA's.

"There isn't the money in Leagues One and Two". I hear you, but my answer to that is why the heck not? There is enough money at all levels of professional football to justify a decent officiating budget every year. Especially with every manager and pundit bemoaning officials performance every week. More money and a pathway increases standards.

This is what I would do... we need to start paying these people properly

18 x SG1 referees - £150,000 a year retainer + £1,500 a match  (£750 as a 4th official, £1,000 as a VAR)
32 x SG1 assistants - £60,000 a year + £700 per match
4 x SG1 dedicated VARs - £70,000 a year + £1,000 a match

20 x SG2 referees - £70,000 a year + £750 per match (£375 as a 4th)
36 x SG2 assistants - £35,000 a year + £375 per match

36 x SG3 ("NL") referees - £45,000 a year + £375 per match (£200 as a 4th)
60 x SG3 assistants - £25,000 a year + £200 per match

20 x National League referees - £28,000 a year + £200 per match
36 x National League assistants - £125 per match

That costs about £16M a season. A drop in the ocean in comparison to everything else in the game.

The costings are quite that simply. Apart from their pay, the officials would want
-- a 2-3 years guaranteed contract
- pension contributions
- company car (which woudl be cheaper than mileage claims)
- health insurance
- etc, etc. etc

When FT referees were first discussed by the EPL, it was in the mid 1990's. They would have had a £60K contract for 2 years, car, etc, etc. Not an unreasonable deal.

Ken Bates came along and said we are not paying them that, we want to spend our money on our teams ..... or words to that effect. It never changes, the clubs will think it is too expensive what solution the referees want.

The NFL (the richest game in the world) plays it referees $205,000 +  for a 20 game season - so, converting would mean the EPL officials are being underpaid.

Quote from: DBLTFC on Sat 23 Jul 2022 11:06

"There isn't the money in Leagues One and Two". I hear you, but my answer to that is why the heck not? There is enough money at all levels of professional football to justify a decent officiating budget every year. Especially with every manager and pundit bemoaning officials performance every week. More money and a pathway increases standards.

This is what I would do... we need to start paying these people properly

18 x SG1 referees - £150,000 a year retainer + £1,500 a match  (£750 as a 4th official, £1,000 as a VAR)
32 x SG1 assistants - £60,000 a year + £700 per match
4 x SG1 dedicated VARs - £70,000 a year + £1,000 a match

20 x SG2 referees - £70,000 a year + £750 per match (£375 as a 4th)
36 x SG2 assistants - £35,000 a year + £375 per match

36 x SG3 ("NL") referees - £45,000 a year + £375 per match (£200 as a 4th)
60 x SG3 assistants - £25,000 a year + £200 per match

20 x National League referees - £28,000 a year + £200 per match
36 x National League assistants - £125 per match

That costs about £16M a season. A drop in the ocean in comparison to everything else in the game.

The costings are quite that simply. Apart from their pay, the officials would want
-- a 2-3 years guaranteed contract
- pension contributions
- company car (which woudl be cheaper than mileage claims)
- health insurance
- etc, etc. etc

When FT referees were first discussed by the EPL, it was in the mid 1990's. They would have had a £60K contract for 2 years, car, etc, etc. Not an unreasonable deal.

Ken Bates came along and said we are not paying them that, we want to spend our money on our teams ..... or words to that effect. It never changes, the clubs will think it is too expensive what solution the referees want.

The NFL (the richest game in the world) plays it referees $205,000 +  for a 20 game season - so, converting would mean the EPL officials are being underpaid.

Wasn't intending to be exact numbers - just a discussion point. Remember the NFL is worth about 50% more than the Premier League.

If officials have second jobs, they aren't concentrating 100% on the refereeing task at hand. I find it tiring enough doing a 50 hour work week without running around being screamed and abused for 90 minutes on Saturday, at the opposite end of the country.