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Michael Oliver - FA Cup final
« on: Mon 27 Aug 2018 14:22 »
Interesting audio of the discussion happening when Michael Oliver awarded Chelsea the penalty in the FA Cup final - https://twitter.com/Paracelsus/status/1033775569341702145

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Re: Michael Oliver - FA Cup final
« Reply #1 on: Mon 27 Aug 2018 14:42 »
Fascinating Readingfan.  Thanks for the link.

Michael Oliver was certainly communicative.  That sort of quick break requires top fitness and alertness from a referee and I think M.O. demonstrated that in spades in that example.

Noticed he used first names to tell United players to stay out of the area.

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Re: Michael Oliver - FA Cup final
« Reply #2 on: Mon 27 Aug 2018 14:47 »
Just been watching that & it's brilliant. Very informative & nice to see in the comments on the thread about how positive it has been accepted by ordinary non ref fans, a few of whom say how much respect it has given them towards referees.

Ref Fan - these guys work with the players week in week out. They will develop working relationships. No problem at all calling them by their first names, as they did to him as well.  He's spent several years earning their respect professionally.
« Last Edit: Mon 27 Aug 2018 14:49 by bmb »
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Re: Michael Oliver - FA Cup final
« Reply #3 on: Mon 27 Aug 2018 15:00 »
I've said for years that the referees should be mic'ed up so that viewers can hear them or at the very least the audio should be made available either at half-time or after the game.

I think that examples such as this and those released during the World Cup are hugely beneficial and Michael Oliver communicated excellently with the players - calm and clear throughout.

Who were the others on the video? There appears to be another official who shouts 'DOGSO DOGSO' when the penalty is first given and then someone other than Oliver (not sure if the same person or not?) who is later saying 'genuine attempt for the ball inside the penalty area'

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Re: Michael Oliver - FA Cup final
« Reply #4 on: Mon 27 Aug 2018 15:06 »
I suspect it was the AR at that end, whoever that was.
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Re: Michael Oliver - FA Cup final
« Reply #5 on: Mon 27 Aug 2018 17:23 »
White subtitles are Michael
Yellow subtitles are the assistant referee - judging by height, I think it's Ian Hussin (rather than Lee Betts who was the other assistant).
Pink subtitles are Neil Swarbrick - the VAR
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Re: Michael Oliver - FA Cup final
« Reply #6 on: Tue 28 Aug 2018 12:44 »
That link is dead now.

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Re: Michael Oliver - FA Cup final
« Reply #7 on: Tue 28 Aug 2018 12:48 »
Shame it was excellent!
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Re: Michael Oliver - FA Cup final
« Reply #8 on: Tue 28 Aug 2018 13:43 »
It was reported in several daily papers including the Telegraph, Mail and Sun printing the various conversations and pictures.  Unfortunately, in the ones I saw, the "DOGSO, DOGSO' comments were attributed to the VR rather than the AR. 


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Re: Michael Oliver - FA Cup final
« Reply #9 on: Tue 28 Aug 2018 17:42 »
It's still dogso, it's just not red. So the importance of recognising the dogso is still there (eg if he chose to push him rather than tackle him), and the cue to switch on to it is not uncommon.

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Re: Michael Oliver - FA Cup final
« Reply #10 on: Tue 28 Aug 2018 21:49 »
The Times reproduced it in full today. I'm not about to copy it across but some of the conversation strikes me as a bit bizarre, for example:

Ashley Young asks for the use of VAR

Referee: "VAR looks at it already, VAR looks at it anyway, it happens anyway".

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Assistant Referee: "DOGSO, DOGSO, Michael"

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Pogba searches for a pass in midfield

Referee:  " Miss me Paul"

Times suggests that the footage released by NBC is 'fascinating' but I am not sure I agree, and I certainly don't think anything useful would be gained by being able to hear this sort of conversation via a mic system. 

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Re: Michael Oliver - FA Cup final
« Reply #11 on: Tue 28 Aug 2018 22:59 »
Did you hear the audio?

Most of it is very insightful - obviously not every comment would have been intended for broadcast (such as the 'Miss me Paul' line) but the response to it from the general public suggests the benefit it offered.

Martin Keown on the BBC questioned why it wasn't a red card at the time and many people watching might have been unsure - Oliver's explanation was assertive, clear and immediate. It showed him in full control of the situation and making a definitive and accurate judgement, supported in a timely measure by VAR.
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Re: Michael Oliver - FA Cup final
« Reply #12 on: Thu 30 Aug 2018 01:34 »
I was interested to see/hear this so googled it and found a link on The S*n website. Appreciate some (all?) won't want to click it but I'll link it just in case.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/7112159/audio-referee-micheal-oliver-var-chelsea-penalty-manchester-united-fa-cup-final/
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Re: Michael Oliver - FA Cup final
« Reply #13 on: Thu 30 Aug 2018 20:34 »
Did you hear the audio?

Most of it is very insightful - obviously not every comment would have been intended for broadcast (such as the 'Miss me Paul' line) but the response to it from the general public suggests the benefit it offered.

Martin Keown on the BBC questioned why it wasn't a red card at the time and many people watching might have been unsure - Oliver's explanation was assertive, clear and immediate. It showed him in full control of the situation and making a definitive and accurate judgement, supported in a timely measure by VAR.
No I didn't, as I couldn't access it at the time. Point taken, thank you.