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Quote from: DublinRef on Mon 15 Mar 2021 15:37

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Quote from: Leggy on Mon 15 Mar 2021 09:57

Quote from: Failed Ref on Mon 15 Mar 2021 09:31

I only watched part of the game but the penalty perplexes me. Forward sliced the ball, ball going out of play, then he is fouled. In the middle of the park it would be a free kick. However, here the ball has already been played and is going out. Why a penalty? Contact made as shot attempted? Ball still in play but going out? Another example of where an explanation would help fans. I guess TMO thought there was no clear and obvious error or knew something we didn't.
Spurs were awful, recent wins papered over cracks which appeared again yesterday. So a manager under pressure blames Michael because he was tired. Typical deflection tactics from the Master!
Oliver seemed to have a good game. My final ramble is why do players get away with holding back challenges with their arms raised so high? One day an eye socket will get ****.

"In the middle of the park it would be a free kick".  Why then, in the penalty area is it not a penalty kick?

I'm quite happy for uncertain referees to give a freekick in the centre circle on the balance of probability. For a penalty kick, I'd want them to be completely sure.

Totally agree, the "it would be given anywhere else" argument is idealist and impractical IMO. The impact on the game must be taken into account and therefore as you say extra certainty will naturally be required. Indeed I have heard of referees at the top level speak about giving "soft" free kicks for game control, managing a certain player, calming the game down etc etc. I have no problem with this, I would certainly have a problem if they did similar with penalties! Despite the intense push in recent years for refereeing to be black and white IMO the best referees are very comfortable with grey!

Where is this within the LoTG?

Where in the LoTG does it change the threshold for a foul in the penalty area as opposed to in the centre circle? or one 1 cm outside the penalty area?

NO one has failed to mention that Dermot thought no penalty. Another error from Oliver?

Quote from: nemesis on Thu 18 Mar 2021 18:42

Quote from: Dumbo on Tue 16 Mar 2021 10:09

Quote from: DublinRef on Mon 15 Mar 2021 15:37

Quote from: nemesis on Mon 15 Mar 2021 15:09

Quote from: Leggy on Mon 15 Mar 2021 09:57

Quote from: Failed Ref on Mon 15 Mar 2021 09:31

I only watched part of the game but the penalty perplexes me. Forward sliced the ball, ball going out of play, then he is fouled. In the middle of the park it would be a free kick. However, here the ball has already been played and is going out. Why a penalty? Contact made as shot attempted? Ball still in play but going out? Another example of where an explanation would help fans. I guess TMO thought there was no clear and obvious error or knew something we didn't.
Spurs were awful, recent wins papered over cracks which appeared again yesterday. So a manager under pressure blames Michael because he was tired. Typical deflection tactics from the Master!
Oliver seemed to have a good game. My final ramble is why do players get away with holding back challenges with their arms raised so high? One day an eye socket will get ****.

"In the middle of the park it would be a free kick".  Why then, in the penalty area is it not a penalty kick?

I'm quite happy for uncertain referees to give a freekick in the centre circle on the balance of probability. For a penalty kick, I'd want them to be completely sure.

Totally agree, the "it would be given anywhere else" argument is idealist and impractical IMO. The impact on the game must be taken into account and therefore as you say extra certainty will naturally be required. Indeed I have heard of referees at the top level speak about giving "soft" free kicks for game control, managing a certain player, calming the game down etc etc. I have no problem with this, I would certainly have a problem if they did similar with penalties! Despite the intense push in recent years for refereeing to be black and white IMO the best referees are very comfortable with grey!

Where is this within the LoTG?

Where in the LoTG does it change the threshold for a foul in the penalty area as opposed to in the centre circle? or one 1 cm outside the penalty area?

I'm curious ...... do you have large ears or are you just being self-deprecatory or perhaps you hail from Brooklyn?

Anyway, where does it say in the Laws what a referee is to do if he genuinely does not know whether a foul has been committed or not? It happens a lot.

What I said was "I'm quite happy for uncertain referees to give a freekick in the centre circle on the balance of probability. For I penalty kick, I'd want them to be completely sure."

Nothing there at odds with the Laws.

I know what you are saying and both understand and accept what you are saying "in real life".

But, as the Laws of the Game are currently written, what you say is at odds with them.  The Laws define offences that result in the award of a direct free-kick or penalty kick; that definition is not location specific in terms of where the offence takes place on the Field of Play.  The Laws then go on to define how play is restarted - that is where the location becomes quite important - direct free-kick or penalty kick.