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Anyone have a view on whether or not Harry Kane should have received red for this?

https://twitter.com/CostasTsioras/status/1371172654934294530

Yellow for me too

RC for me. Deliberate, using excessive force, hand used as a weapon.

I am an arsenal fan so bias may play into it. It might not. I thought Michael had an amazing game, dealt with all the crap the players threw at him. Yellow cards all correct. Kane knew what he was doing but not enough for a red. 1000% penalty just watching MOTD 2 Jermaine Jenas is bitter and a sore loser imo, he thinks it wasn't a penalty and Lamelas first yellow wasn't a yellow when both were clearly correct

I'm going to stick my neck out and politely disagree with those saying Kane should have seen Red.  Yes, it was petulant and probably ticked the box of excessive force for that type of contact, but I don't think it endangered an opponent and I didn't regard it as striking an opponent for VC.  And sometimes it's interesting to look at the instinctive reaction of the players. Personally I didn't notice any outrage by Arsenal players demanding a RC and even the victim of the challenge looked more surprised than angry about it. It did justify a YC though so I was surprised neither referee nor AR thought so.

Lamela was certainly walking a tight rope and, even if the first YC was slightly harsh taken in isolation, he had been warned along with Xhaka after their earlier altercation. No sympathy from me (especially after getting Martial sent off at OT for his despicable antics at the beginning of the season). Hot headed I agree but an unpleasant trait as well.

It's a pity the Kane controversy has blown up because I actually felt Michael Oliver handled a feisty North London derby very well.  Played some good advantages too and kept a lid on proceedings without being too intrusive. 

I only watched part of the game but the penalty perplexes me. Forward sliced the ball, ball going out of play, then he is fouled. In the middle of the park it would be a free kick. However, here the ball has already been played and is going out. Why a penalty? Contact made as shot attempted? Ball still in play but going out? Another example of where an explanation would help fans. I guess TMO thought there was no clear and obvious error or knew something we didn't.
Spurs were awful, recent wins papered over cracks which appeared again yesterday. So a manager under pressure blames Michael because he was tired. Typical deflection tactics from the Master!
Oliver seemed to have a good game. My final ramble is why do players get away with holding back challenges with their arms raised so high? One day an eye socket will get ****.

I only watched part of the game but the penalty perplexes me. Forward sliced the ball, ball going out of play, then he is fouled. In the middle of the park it would be a free kick. However, here the ball has already been played and is going out. Why a penalty? Contact made as shot attempted? Ball still in play but going out? Another example of where an explanation would help fans. I guess TMO thought there was no clear and obvious error or knew something we didn't.
Spurs were awful, recent wins papered over cracks which appeared again yesterday. So a manager under pressure blames Michael because he was tired. Typical deflection tactics from the Master!
Oliver seemed to have a good game. My final ramble is why do players get away with holding back challenges with their arms raised so high? One day an eye socket will get ****.

"In the middle of the park it would be a free kick".  Why then, in the penalty area is it not a penalty kick?

For Kane's incident, I agree with no RC because even though he used too much strength on Gabriel, I don't think it should be categorised as violent conduct. If Oliver showed YC I would support it.
I think Oliver yesterday did well in controlling players' temper. He showed cards at the right time in the right place imo. There are views saying that the first YC for Lamela was too harsh but he could've been book earlier and the 2nd YC came right on time to prevent more flagrant fouls. If another PL ref was in charge, I can not guarantee the derby would not end in chaos.
As for the penalty, Oliver had a good view and VAR did not consider it a clear and obvious error so it was a penalty. Sanchez did not get the ball and did foul Lacazette but the forward did slice the ball but not far away. Would VAR support it either if Oliver did not award the penalty? I'm still in puzzlement.