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Author Topic: Michael Oliver - Arsenal v Chelsea  (Read 818 times)

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Michael Oliver - Arsenal v Chelsea
« on: Sun 27 Dec 2020 10:00 »
Hypothetical question I wondered if anyone could answer.

Towards the end of the game while Chelsea were looking for goals they got a corner. At the time the corner was taken, there was a second ball on the field of play near the touch line about halfway inside the arsenal half. If the ball had gone in the net would the goal have been ruled out for 2 balls on the field of play? I believe the ball stayed there until all the players moved back towards the half way line for the goal kick but it was as far as I can tell always say in the same position until after the corner was complete and the goal kick about to be taken.

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Re: Michael Oliver - Arsenal-Chelsea
« Reply #1 on: Sun 27 Dec 2020 10:16 »
Good morning from Italy, I hope you all had a happy Christmas. Last night I watched part of the match won by Arsenal, refereed by Oliver. I haven't seen him in action for a while, maybe a few months. I noticed that he has increased his physical presence, he looks taller, longer, it is possible that he has taken care of his body by training in the gym. It also seems to me that he has slightly modified his running style and his posture, gaining width and strength by making better use of the movement of his arms. Is it only my impression? My compliments to Oliver, he has reached a very high level of athletic performance, undoubtedly at the top in Europe. I am not talking about the other aspects because they are already excellent.
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Re: Michael Oliver - Arsenal v Chelsea
« Reply #2 on: Sun 27 Dec 2020 11:00 »
Hypothetical question I wondered if anyone could answer.

Towards the end of the game while Chelsea were looking for goals they got a corner. At the time the corner was taken, there was a second ball on the field of play near the touch line about halfway inside the arsenal half. If the ball had gone in the net would the goal have been ruled out for 2 balls on the field of play? I believe the ball stayed there until all the players moved back towards the half way line for the goal kick but it was as far as I can tell always say in the same position until after the corner was complete and the goal kick about to be taken.

Play would only be stopped if the second ball interfered with play, in this case it was nowhere near the active play so had a goal been scored it would have stood.
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Re: Michael Oliver - Arsenal v Chelsea
« Reply #3 on: Sun 27 Dec 2020 12:04 »
Would be interested in what everyone thought of the first penalty.  Gary Neville was adamant is was not a penalty, I thought it was at first, but subsequent replays made it look less of a penalty.  However, as it was not a clear and obvious error so Tierney was right to not overturn the decision.

Second penalty was a straightforward decision.

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Re: Michael Oliver - Arsenal v Chelsea
« Reply #4 on: Sun 27 Dec 2020 12:29 »
Would be interested in what everyone thought of the first penalty.  Gary Neville was adamant is was not a penalty, I thought it was at first, but subsequent replays made it look less of a penalty.  However, as it was not a clear and obvious error so Tierney was right to not overturn the decision.

Second penalty was a straightforward decision.

Interesting.  If anything, I was the opposite.  Not sure on first viewing, but on replays at full speed and slo-mo it looked to me the attacker was clearly clipped on the back of his heel.  I was surprised at Neville's comment.  He seemed to be disputing there was any contact.  I certainly didn't expect VAR to advise an OFR.  How much contact was difficult to tell but unless I missed it, there seemed to be little dissent from Chelsea players.

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Re: Michael Oliver - Arsenal v Chelsea
« Reply #5 on: Sun 27 Dec 2020 12:50 »
What Neville was saying was that there was contact but the attacker initiated it, which I personally agreed with.  No way it could be deemed a clear and obvious error though so VAR was never going to overrule it.
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Re: Michael Oliver - Arsenal v Chelsea
« Reply #6 on: Sun 27 Dec 2020 19:14 »
Contact definitely initiated by the attacker Tierney onto the defender James.  On the 4th or 5th replay that should have been overturned, it is just not a penalty! 

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Re: Michael Oliver - Arsenal v Chelsea
« Reply #7 on: Sun 27 Dec 2020 23:06 »
Contact definitely initiated by the attacker Tierney onto the defender James.  On the 4th or 5th replay that should have been overturned, it is just not a penalty!

But the fact that, as you say, it took 4 or 5 replays, means it really can't be classed as a clear and obvious error.

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Re: Michael Oliver - Arsenal v Chelsea
« Reply #8 on: Tue 29 Dec 2020 11:01 »
The Arsenal penalty seems to have split opinion so I was quite surprised watching the Football Show on Sky yesterday that Dermot Gallagher and the two regular reporters/fans all agreed it was a correct decision, as did Mark Halsey on twitter.  With the reputation some players have acquired, I do wonder if sometimes we can look too closely for any sign of an attacker initiating contact.  Personally, I'm still not convinced that was the case here so was happy with the penalty decision.  And as was commented, Oliver's positioning couldn't have been better - for both penalties. 

Incidentally, Dermot agreed with the penalty to Leeds for the foul by the Burnley goalkeeper, but didn't get support from the other two!