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Re: Merseyside Derby
« Reply #61 on: Sun 18 Oct 2020 14:52 »
Read the comments here with interest. Watched the game on TV last night. The assistants flag was not raised until after the Pickford foul. He had a very clear view of the incident. Clear red card. The  "offside" call for the disallowed Liverpool goal was not proved by the camera and was at best level. The discussion here and on TV channels shows to me that the officials have brought the game into disrepute by their failures. Be interested to see the next round of appointments. I know we all make mistakes, BUT!!!!!

The assistant's flag was raised after the challenge as that is when the chance to score ended, they can't raise it before then in case the decision is wrong.  And the fact that it was raised straight in the air shows it was for offside, if it was for a penalty / SFP it would be out to the right and being agitated

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Re: Merseyside Derby
« Reply #62 on: Sun 18 Oct 2020 15:07 »
Read the comments here with interest. Watched the game on TV last night. The assistants flag was not raised until after the Pickford foul. He had a very clear view of the incident. Clear red card. The  "offside" call for the disallowed Liverpool goal was not proved by the camera and was at best level. The discussion here and on TV channels shows to me that the officials have brought the game into disrepute by their failures. Be interested to see the next round of appointments. I know we all make mistakes, BUT!!!!!
I absolutely agree that it is the lack of competence of VAR officials that is the major problem with the use of the system.  I have said here many times that the technology is generally fine.  It is how it is implemented that causes the problems, whether that is offsides too close to call or the protocols not being logical or sensible.  The technology will evolve, just as it has in cricket.  But what is needed is a rewrite of the protocols to make them simpler, and then a clearout of those who are clearly struggling to apply it on the day. 


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Re: Merseyside Derby
« Reply #63 on: Sun 18 Oct 2020 15:10 »
Having only seen the MOTD highlights, I wonder whether anyone else had the impression that Mr Oliver appeared to wait for some time after the first offside decision, as if expecting a further communication.

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Re: Merseyside Derby
« Reply #64 on: Sun 18 Oct 2020 15:24 »
Having only seen the MOTD highlights, I wonder whether anyone else had the impression that Mr Oliver appeared to wait for some time after the first offside decision, as if expecting a further communication.
From the planet Zog, perhaps?
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Re: Merseyside Derby
« Reply #65 on: Sun 18 Oct 2020 16:12 »
Having only seen the MOTD highlights, I wonder whether anyone else had the impression that Mr Oliver appeared to wait for some time after the first offside decision, as if expecting a further communication.

Yes, I noticed that too.  He appeared to be near the goal line looking rather thoughtful. He could just have been waiting for treatment of Van Dijk to finish I suppose, although often the referee will stand closer to the medics and the player being treated and sometimes chatting to other players.

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Re: Merseyside Derby
« Reply #66 on: Sun 18 Oct 2020 16:16 »

The referee always has to make a decision but they can have general conversations. There has been footage released of audio conversations in MLS/A League before and an official will frequently say something like 'I don't think X was interfering but can we double check it please? On-field decision is goal but just make sure'.




They do VAR way better in the MLS than we seem to here in the UK.

I wonder if that is helped by the fact that they just don't seem to have the same levels of dissent, playacting & sense of entitlement (on the part of the players) than we do here?
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Re: Merseyside Derby
« Reply #67 on: Sun 18 Oct 2020 16:43 »
Would protocol for VAR be better simplified by the following referee's instruction..

" If I've f***** up, then tell me"

Not alot of refinery needed, and it certainly would uncomplicate matters.
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« Reply #68 on: Sun 18 Oct 2020 18:01 »
I am aware that, at times, I am very supportive / defensive of Anthony Taylor and Mike Dean.
However I am astonished by some of the comments on this thread seemingly seeking to absolve Mr Oliver of any criticism
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As regards the Man United v Spurs game all criticism was aimed at the Referee with the VAR exonerated. Yesterday all the criticism lands on the toes of VAR in some posts with the Referee absolved

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Re: Merseyside Derby
« Reply #69 on: Sun 18 Oct 2020 18:09 »
I am aware that, at times, I am very supportive / defensive of Anthony Taylor and Mike Dean.
However I am astonished by some of the comments on this thread seemingly seeking to absolve Mr Oliver of any criticism
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As regards the Man United v Spurs game all criticism was aimed at the Referee with the VAR exonerated. Yesterday all the criticism lands on the toes of VAR in some posts with the Referee absolved

People have obviously listened to your observation from said Man Utd V Spurs game - 'Whether the onfield officials "missed" it or otherwise where was The VAR in terms of input?'
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« Reply #70 on: Mon 19 Oct 2020 09:33 »
Jordan Pickford will reportedly not face any retrospective punishment for his reckless tackle on Virgil van Dijk in Saturday's clash between Everton and Liverpool.

Pickford escaped without a card from the incident but there were some suggestions he could receive a ban at some point this week.

However, according to The Athletic the fact that VAR did review the incident at the time but deemed it not worthy of a red card means retrospective action is unable to be taken.
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Re: Merseyside Derby
« Reply #71 on: Mon 19 Oct 2020 09:57 »
Jordan Pickford will reportedly not face any retrospective punishment for his reckless tackle on Virgil van Dijk in Saturday's clash between Everton and Liverpool.

Pickford escaped without a card from the incident but there were some suggestions he could receive a ban at some point this week.

However, according to The Athletic the fact that VAR did review the incident at the time but deemed it not worthy of a red card means retrospective action is unable to be taken.

What a massive joke.
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Re: Merseyside Derby
« Reply #72 on: Mon 19 Oct 2020 10:05 »
Jordan Pickford will reportedly not face any retrospective punishment for his reckless tackle on Virgil van Dijk in Saturday's clash between Everton and Liverpool.

Pickford escaped without a card from the incident but there were some suggestions he could receive a ban at some point this week.

However, according to The Athletic the fact that VAR did review the incident at the time but deemed it not worthy of a red card means retrospective action is unable to be taken.
If that’s true it’s simply breathtaking. If the VAR thinks that assault which ticks every box for a red card was acceptable then he isn’t competent.
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Re: Merseyside Derby
« Reply #73 on: Mon 19 Oct 2020 10:07 »
I think Peter Crouch sums up the Pickford incident rather well. 

"He then decides to go and his thought is to take everything with him. It has had calamitous consequences and I suspect he will deeply regret it.

What amazed me was the fact he didn’t get a red card. We see players given three-match bans for shoving opponents in the face with the ferocity of a nine-year-old but a potentially career-ending foul doesn’t get penalised?

I’m sorry, I can’t work that one out"


Actually, I think he exaggerates Martial's action in comparison.  A nine-year-old would be more ferocious  :)

More seriously though, it is this sort of injustice that makes me as a football fan angry.

And Clattenburg in the Mail also states that VAR did look at Pickford's challenge and decided it was not a RC offence with which MC, not surprisingly, disagrees.

 

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Re: Merseyside Derby
« Reply #74 on: Mon 19 Oct 2020 10:14 »
And Clattenburg in the Mail also states that VAR did look at Pickford's challenge and decided it was not a RC offence with which MC disagrees.
This is where Football doesn't seem to learn from itself.

This is a national mockery, you don't have to be a Liverpool or even an Everton fan, you don't have to like a PL team, you don't even have to like football to see how dangerous that was. Then you find out it didn't result in any kind of punishment which surprises you even more because you'd have thought that wouldn't be acceptable.

No wonder Gary Neville is saying Football needs a complete overhaul, because on this evidence he is clearly correct.
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