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Re: Merseyside Derby
« Reply #15 on: Sat 17 Oct 2020 14:52 »
From an Everton POV - I love David Coote

From a neutral POV - David Coote is a dreadful VAR.  He has made so many high profile errors as VAR, and the fact he forgot to check for a red card in the Van Dijk incident is fairly unforgivable.

Not going to complain though  ;D
The very real and I think not unreasonable possibility is that there are going to be legal challenges for compensation against Officials, The FA, Premier League & PGMOL. How can anyone say player safety is not being compromised when stuff like that is not dealt with? The officials number 1 job is to ensure player safety.

Yet again the PGMOL are having to come out to clarify that something else was wrong. They are starting to sound like the government, but government are just slightly more competent. How much  more do we have to deal with until the stakeholders, FA, Premier League just have enough of the PGMOL?
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« Reply #16 on: Sat 17 Oct 2020 14:54 »
I’m struggling to understand a few parts of this match but can someone explain why Coote was checking whether Van Dijk was offside leading up to the Pickford incident ? Was it to consider a penalty ?
Check player was onside If Y move on, If N end of review.
Check Penalty - If Y move on
Check Red Card - If Y move on
Award Penalty.

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Re: Merseyside Derby
« Reply #17 on: Sat 17 Oct 2020 15:01 »
I’m struggling to understand a few parts of this match but can someone explain why Coote was checking whether Van Dijk was offside leading up to the Pickford incident ? Was it to consider a penalty ?

Yes it was.
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Re: Merseyside Derby
« Reply #18 on: Sat 17 Oct 2020 15:02 »
If the offside offence occurs first then it it the offence punished, as defined by the LOTG.

That wasn't my point.  Peter Walton thinks it was a red card.  The offside is irrelevant - if a player is offside and a keeper comes out and punches him in the face, is that OK because the player was offside??

No that should be dealt with. The only difference would be if it was classed as Serious foul play or Violent conduct. You didn't mention what the incident was in your first post just that you didn't think Pickford should escape sanction so I answered in general terms.  The offside is the offence dealt with because it came first but yes of course a red card offence should be dealt with.

I'm not watching it - I'm watching Budafok v DVTK! Budafok are winning 1-0! Mr Iványi and his team are clad in blue shirts!

I admit to learning something or least being reminded of law.  For some reason I had it in my thick head that only VC could be dealt with after the whistle had blown and the ball was 'dead'.

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Re: Merseyside Derby
« Reply #19 on: Sat 17 Oct 2020 15:04 »
Loving that David Coote is getting hammered on here but the painted Michael Oliver gets no criticism for missing the challenge.
Double standards perhaps?

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« Reply #20 on: Sat 17 Oct 2020 15:16 »
Oh what colour was he painted Phil - I didn't notice that??
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Re: Merseyside Derby
« Reply #21 on: Sat 17 Oct 2020 15:22 »
Loving that David Coote is getting hammered on here but the painted Michael Oliver gets no criticism for missing the challenge.
Double standards perhaps?

I happen to agree that Oliver often escapes criticism where it is warranted, but here - Coote has got countless TV replays to look at, yet he fails to even check the tackle - this is not the first instance of him failing to use the technology to correctly sanction a player that Oliver has missed.  While some criticism should head towards Michael - he does not have the benefit of seeing tackles countless times, which Coote did.
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Re: Merseyside Derby
« Reply #22 on: Sat 17 Oct 2020 15:40 »
Player is marginally offside, however, the flag does not go up as per instructions these days, and play goes on and the keeper makes a genuine attempt to play the ball which results in the offside player being injured and having to leave the field.
VAR looks at the situation to see if a penalty should be awarded but the eveidence shows that the player was offside, therefore, that is the first offence and the offside is given.

Are we then going to dismiss a keeper for a genuine attempt to play the ball, bearing in mind that it could well have been the keeper who was injured and had to leave the field.  Those running the game have manufactured these situations  and the use of VAR is compounding the issue.

In the same incident in any game in England outside the Premier League, the offside would have been flagged but because of the speed of the game the keeper would still have challenged and it would be possible  that players are injured, however, the free  kick would have been given for offside and everyone gets on with the game.
The monster has been created in an effort to make the game 100% perfect.
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Re: Merseyside Derby
« Reply #23 on: Sat 17 Oct 2020 15:49 »
hahahahahahahahaha what? Genuine attempt to play the ball?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Merseyside Derby
« Reply #24 on: Sat 17 Oct 2020 16:06 »
Pickford is erratic both with his goalkeeping and his temperament.  I was rather hoping that last minute Everton 'goal' would have been allowed - poetic justice as it was a shot Pickford should have saved.  In fact, from the various photos, I'm still trying to work out what part of Mane's anatomy was beyond the lower back of the Everton defender.
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Re: Merseyside Derby
« Reply #25 on: Sat 17 Oct 2020 16:12 »
hahahahahahahahaha what? Genuine attempt to play the ball?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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From where the referee's normal positioning would be. You do not show that at all. His Assistant Referee was positioned on that side of the pitch and obviously thought that it was, however, it didn't matter because Van Dijk was offside.
Purely from a neutrel point of view, only minutes before Van Dijk had cleaned out two Everton players and knew exactly what he was doing so he could have no complaints.
It was good to see Rodriguez receive a yellow after he had been waving an imaginary card earlier in the game for a nothing challenge, what was even better was seeing him trying to plead innocence.
The modern game will never replace football.
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Re: Merseyside Derby
« Reply #26 on: Sat 17 Oct 2020 17:07 »
Loving that David Coote is getting hammered on here but the painted Michael Oliver gets no criticism for missing the challenge.
Double standards perhaps?

Painted in the colours you've already nailed to the mast?

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« Reply #27 on: Sat 17 Oct 2020 17:12 »
Bloody predictive text
I meant sainted
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« Reply #28 on: Sat 17 Oct 2020 17:43 »
Loving that David Coote is getting hammered on here but the painted Michael Oliver gets no criticism for missing the challenge.
Double standards perhaps?

Ah - the RTR equivalent of “BUT HER EMAILS!”
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Re: Merseyside Derby
« Reply #29 on: Sat 17 Oct 2020 19:22 »


No that should be dealt with. The only difference would be if it was classed as Serious foul play or Violent conduct. You didn't mention what the incident was in your first post just that you didn't think Pickford should escape sanction so I answered in general terms. 

I mentioned a serious foul.