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Martin Atkinson: Man U v Chelsea
« on: Sat 24 Oct 2020 18:45 »
What on earth is VAR for? That holding by McGuire is blatantly clear and obvious. It’s farcical.

Even the myopic Evra said it was a penalty.

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Re: Martin Atkinson: Man U v Chelsea
« Reply #1 on: Sat 24 Oct 2020 19:04 »
Even Dale Johnson has come out against VAR.

edited out as we do not allow allegations of corruption on this forum for legal reasons
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Re: Martin Atkinson: Man U v Chelsea
« Reply #2 on: Sat 24 Oct 2020 19:46 »
It's even more crazier considering VAR was Stuart Atwell and the soft penalty he gave as a referee last weekend...

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« Reply #3 on: Sat 24 Oct 2020 19:59 »
Cannot understand why Martin Atkinson was not advised to look at the screen and then make a decision. I thought it was a penalty. Outside of the penalty area free kick with no questions. VAR is simply not being used correctly and once again is in disrepute. Not VAR but the official manning it.

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Re: Martin Atkinson: Man U v Chelsea
« Reply #4 on: Sat 24 Oct 2020 20:48 »
I was asked for my views on Stuart Attwell as VAR a few weeks ago and said I couldn't think of too many poor decisions he'd made as VAR - but now I'm thinking about it I'm struggling to think of too many positive VAR interventions he's made and wondering if he's just been 'lucky' to have low-key games as VAR.

The best VARs need to intervene when required and in the last two games at Old Trafford Attwell has failed to do that as VAR.


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Re: Martin Atkinson: Man U v Chelsea
« Reply #5 on: Sun 25 Oct 2020 10:25 »
What on earth is VAR for? That holding by McGuire is blatantly clear and obvious. It’s farcical.

Even the myopic Evra said it was a penalty.

What about the non penalty award at Anfiels for a trip on berge at 1-0? More clear cut than the maguire one.

2 years since Liverpool last conceded a penalty at home - ridiculous!
Who were the last team to be awarded two penalties at Liverpool?

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Re: Martin Atkinson: Man U v Chelsea
« Reply #6 on: Sun 25 Oct 2020 12:22 »
What on earth is VAR for? That holding by McGuire is blatantly clear and obvious. It’s farcical.

Even the myopic Evra said it was a penalty.

What about the non penalty award at Anfiels for a trip on berge at 1-0? More clear cut than the maguire one.

2 years since Liverpool last conceded a penalty at home - ridiculous!
Who were the last team to be awarded two penalties at Liverpool?

Tottenham got two penalties in early 2018 - Jon Moss was the referee.

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Re: Martin Atkinson: Man U v Chelsea
« Reply #7 on: Sun 25 Oct 2020 12:37 »
I think it's clear in general that the 'high bar' for VAR just isn't working now. It probably made sense in some ways when VAR was first introduced in PL because people were wary about there suddenly being a flurry of stoppages and decisions changed and the feel of the game completely changing but now people have largely got used to VAR being something involved (whether they like it or not) and 'Why wasn't VAR used?' tends to get asked a lot more.

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Re: Martin Atkinson: Man U v Chelsea
« Reply #8 on: Sun 25 Oct 2020 21:01 »
Just seen the highlights back and probably should have been a pen for foul on aspilicueta. Interestingly there was also a similar incident at the other end where maguire was being held at a corner and yet no mention on here. Got to be looking for consistency surely?

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Re: Martin Atkinson: Man U v Chelsea
« Reply #9 on: Mon 26 Oct 2020 07:27 »
The penalty aside I thought Atkinson was his old self let the game flow stayed in the background and cautioned when he needed to

I think everyone perceives VAR as a infallible machine that will correct the wrong decision by a referee when it is actually just another referees opinion after viewing several replays of a incident

Personally I think referees got far more big decisions and decisions correct in general before VAR was introduced and that when referees got them wrong it was accepted more because they dont have the benefit of replays etc it was Human nature that mistakes would be made but I cannot say the same for VAR because of the numerous angles more decisions by the should be correct but instead I think the opposite is happening.
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Re: Martin Atkinson: Man U v Chelsea
« Reply #10 on: Mon 26 Oct 2020 08:34 »
It's even more crazier considering VAR was Stuart Atwell and the soft penalty he gave as a referee last weekend...

This has been picked up in today's Times by Peter Walton as an example of double standards by Stuart.

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« Reply #11 on: Mon 26 Oct 2020 09:17 »
I do wonder if he received some "advice" from his peers (or bosses) regards the previously soft award.

This may well have had a bearing on his threshold of a foul inside the area this week.

Not definite but perhaps food for thought...........

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Re: Martin Atkinson: Man U v Chelsea
« Reply #12 on: Mon 26 Oct 2020 10:07 »
It's even more crazier considering VAR was Stuart Atwell and the soft penalty he gave as a referee last weekend...

This has been picked up in today's Times by Peter Walton as an example of double standards by Stuart.

And Stuart Attwell is back in Europe this week as VAR to Anthony Taylor this time in the CL on Wednesday.
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Re: Martin Atkinson: Man U v Chelsea
« Reply #13 on: Mon 26 Oct 2020 11:08 »
I think it's clear in general that the 'high bar' for VAR just isn't working now. It probably made sense in some ways when VAR was first introduced in PL because people were wary about there suddenly being a flurry of stoppages and decisions changed and the feel of the game completely changing but now people have largely got used to VAR being something involved (whether they like it or not) and 'Why wasn't VAR used?' tends to get asked a lot more.
VAR seems to get involved when it shouldn't..................and when it should  it doesn't.........I give up!
Arsenal's 'goal' last night shouldn't have been disallowed anyone?
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Re: Martin Atkinson: Man U v Chelsea
« Reply #14 on: Mon 26 Oct 2020 14:46 »
I will always try and justify a 'disagree' post. In this case, there was clear and direct interference with the Leicester goalie, and the referee, via VAR and AR who flagged, was right to disallow the goal. Redstripe - nothing personal, I note that you were asking the question rather than putting forward a view.
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