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My condolences to Egyptian refereeing......

Good luck to Clattenburg and to Egyptian refereeing.  I never particularly cared for Clattenburg's style ( though highly significant people in UEFA clearly did ) A case of " the old bizarre in Cairo " perhaps.

There was zero chance of that happening anyway.  Elleray may have gone, but there will still be a lot of traditionalists on the FA's Referees Committee who won't like Clattenburg.

Quote from: edy on Thu 30 Jun 2022 14:43

My condolences to Egyptian refereeing......

Is he gone from Greece now with this new role? If so I’m sure you will be happy edy.

Reflecting on his time there may I ask what would be your main criticism of his management?

Yes, he is gone from Greece now. I am happy about it even though, I was his supporter when he came.

The only thing that he cared about was his big contract and appointments. No development, foreign referees even in SL2 (2nd league). He was never interested to renew the referees and observers lists. Especially the observers list on all 3 categories are pretty much the same since 2018. Former referees who are observers for over 20 years, old enough who are only interested for their fee. Nothing to contribute, no help on the referees.

IMO his biggest mistake is that he never took the time to learn the referees (especially on SL2 and 3rd league). These referees are the future.

I was never a Clattenburg fan - far too full of himself and little regard for authority - but thought most others were Clattenburg groupies. It’s interesting to see some of the comments here from many of RTR’s most respected posters and to realise I was very much not in the minority.
Saudi Arabia, Greece and Chinas gain is very much Egypts loss

Clattenburg has certainly been around the world a bit over the last 5 years or so - Saudi Arabia, China, Greece and now Egypt.

From the outside, it does seem like he's perhaps struggled to really settle anywhere. Whilst we've previously discussed how 13 years has been an awfully long time for Mike Riley to be in charge of PGMO, I'm not sure 2 years is enough to make a difference to a league. Howard Webb has done over 5 years in MLS and seems to have had a positive impact.

far too full of himself

How to say "I have never met him" without actually saying I have never met him. If you didn't like his style, fair enough, if you thought he was a rubbish referee, fair enough, if you think he is rubbish as a referee manager again fair enough, you are fully entitled to your opinion and I'll respect that opinion but do NOT make character judgements especially when it is quite clear that you have done so purely on your perception of him as opposed to any first hand personal knowledge. Mark isn't perfect, no-one is, and there are many things I think he could have done differently but one thing he most certainly isn't and nor has ever been is "far too full of himself". As a person he is very warm, very loving and gentle and puts his family and loved ones before himself every single time. He is an amazing Uncle to bmb jr and has always looked out for him, supported him and encouraged him. I could sit here and list for you thousands of times when he has put my son first, gone out of his way to be there for him, done something for him just to put a smile on the kids face or to make him feel special and loved - that is what he is as a person.