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Manchester United Player Behaviour
« on: Wed 09 Nov 2022 16:23 »
Will this deter the players from behaving as they did in future? I suspect not.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63573410

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Re: Manchester United Player Behaviour
« Reply #1 on: Wed 09 Nov 2022 16:55 »
Will this deter the players from behaving as they did in future? I suspect not.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63573410
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« Reply #2 on: Wed 09 Nov 2022 16:56 »
Of course not and United are certainly not the worst
« Last Edit: Wed 09 Nov 2022 23:00 by ajb95 »
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Re: Manchester United Player Behaviour
« Reply #3 on: Wed 09 Nov 2022 16:58 »
Will this deter the players from behaving as they did in future? I suspect not.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63573410

I agree. Ronaldo could probably pay the fine out of an hours wages.
A fine of this nature means nothing. Until the F A start hitting clubs with points deductions for such behaviour I fear it will continue unabated.
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Re: Manchester United Player Behaviour
« Reply #4 on: Wed 09 Nov 2022 20:28 »
Will this deter the players from behaving as they did in future? I suspect not.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63573410

I agree. Ronaldo could probably pay the fine out of an hours wages.
A fine of this nature means nothing. Until the F A start hitting clubs with points deductions for such behaviour I fear it will continue unabated.

Suggesting points deductions is absurd, with all respect. In (some) other countries referees punish dissent, mobbing and poor technical area conduct consequently. Naturally, their behaviour is much better. It really isn't that difficult...

Eg: in English games, Arteta's behaviour is absolutely ridiculous, and he is always given a carte blanche. However, in Arsenal's Europa League match with PSV Eindhoven after the first gesture of dissent made by him, the referee Hernández immediately warned him that if he continued, he would be cautioned. Lo and behold, Arteta never dissented again. Again: it really isn't that difficult...

PGMOL encourage referee costume rather than referee kit refereeing, this area is a prime example. I hope that such trends depart concurrently with Mr Riley.
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« Reply #5 on: Wed 09 Nov 2022 21:43 »
Unless and until referees take robust action against all those who choose to engage in mass protest this will be an ongoing problem.
We need referees with some bottle to pull out a card and administer it to all and any that elect to join into such protests. Moreover, we need those referees to take further and decisive action against those who persist with their protests after having received a yellow card. In all honesty I don’t see it happening but it would be very welcome.
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Re: Manchester United Player Behaviour
« Reply #6 on: Thu 10 Nov 2022 09:36 »
Will this deter the players from behaving as they did in future? I suspect not.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63573410

I agree. Ronaldo could probably pay the fine out of an hours wages.
A fine of this nature means nothing. Until the F A start hitting clubs with points deductions for such behaviour I fear it will continue unabated.

Suggesting points deductions is absurd, with all respect.

However, in Arsenal's Europa League match with PSV Eindhoven after the first gesture of dissent made by him, the referee Hernández immediately warned him that if he continued, he would be cautioned. Lo and behold, Arteta never dissented again.

I respectfully disagree. There has to be a more intrinsic deterrent at club level as fines don't result in better behaviour and a points deduction would seem to be the only way. However, I do agree with your point on clamping down on dissent from the start.
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Re: Manchester United Player Behaviour
« Reply #7 on: Thu 10 Nov 2022 10:00 »
If our officials clamped down on this behaviour and cautioned players, along with the odd  dismissal, the Premier League would be up in arms claiming that officials are being unfair to their stars and denying the fans the opportunity to see them in action.

There is a mentality of 'protectionism' of the PL brand and this has led to much of the physicality going out of the game at the top level so that their stars are not out of the game for long spells with injuries.

It is obvious to me that the FA no longer run football in England. It is the PL, along with the TV companies, who have the biggest say in which way the game is going. Tin hat on now!
Referee's decision used to be final!
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Re: Manchester United Player Behaviour
« Reply #8 on: Thu 10 Nov 2022 11:59 »
Unless and until referees take robust action against all those who choose to engage in mass protest this will be an ongoing problem.
We need referees with some bottle to pull out a card and administer it to all and any that elect to join into such protests. Moreover, we need those referees to take further and decisive action against those who persist with their protests after having received a yellow card. In all honesty I don’t see it happening but it would be very welcome.


They will do it when their employers allow them.  Doing so up until now has been a risk to their future career, employment and financial well-being.  I am not going to go against the wishes of my boss (be they explicit or implicit) and I can see why SG refs do not either.

It might change post-Riley, but do not bank on it.  Webb has to keep his "stake-holders" onside too.
« Last Edit: Fri 11 Nov 2022 18:44 by Leggy »
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Re: Manchester United Player Behaviour
« Reply #9 on: Thu 10 Nov 2022 12:28 »
I think the answers are all listed above.

It comes down to direction from above. Unfortunately the PL rules the roost and not the FA. Therefore the clubs are almost self governing and decide not to clamp down on this sort of behaviour as it would only impact them negatively. The referees are not really in control of what they punish, they take their lead from above.

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Re: Manchester United Player Behaviour
« Reply #10 on: Fri 11 Nov 2022 01:08 »
One could ask why Spurs and Arsenal have only been fined £20,000 each for their 2 similar instances this season.
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Re: Manchester United Player Behaviour
« Reply #11 on: Fri 11 Nov 2022 17:50 »
One could ask why Spurs and Arsenal have only been fined £20,000 each for their 2 similar instances this season.


If we accept the premise that fines are ineffective, does it really matter?

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« Reply #12 on: Fri 11 Nov 2022 18:08 »
Fines are pointless, unless you start going into the millions.

The FA / PGMOL need to allow the referees to deal with it on the pitch.  If the referee is surrounded then every player involved gets a caution.  Would be chaos at first, but the message would quickly land.

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« Reply #13 on: Fri 11 Nov 2022 19:18 »
Fining clubs weeks after the event is almost as pointless and meaningless as the usual ‘warning as to future conduct’.

Why is the FA having to deal with something that the ref should (should be expected to) deal with on the pitch at the time?? A fine later means nothing, if the dissent stopped the flow of the game, put off an opponent from taking a winning PK, etc.

Most mass dissent incidents are now often about decisions that are plainly correct or will automatically be reviewed by VAR anyway - just a waste of time.

No new laws needed; just enforce the existing ones properly. Even if realistically you pick 2/3 of the worst offenders each time. They really would stop doing it, as it would affect that game and subsequent ones through suspension. Even better, also an automatic deduction of a league point per 5 dissent cautions - soon stop it then, as it would be in the team’s interest to do so. At the moment, it’s worth protesting to pressure the referee, put off opponents, etc.

For a long time, ‘managing’ (ie. ignoring completely) these things is seen/coached as part of the job, in order not to ruin the spectacle. Actually the spectacle / entertainment would be much enhanced if it was clamped down on so gamers could flow.
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Re: Manchester United Player Behaviour
« Reply #14 on: Sat 12 Nov 2022 16:52 »
Will this deter the players from behaving as they did in future? I suspect not.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63573410

I agree. Ronaldo could probably pay the fine out of an hours wages.
A fine of this nature means nothing. Until the F A start hitting clubs with points deductions for such behaviour I fear it will continue unabated.

Suggesting points deductions is absurd, with all respect. In (some) other countries referees punish dissent, mobbing and poor technical area conduct consequently. Naturally, their behaviour is much better. It really isn't that difficult...

It happened in 1990/91:

In the aftermath of the infamous Old Trafford brawl between Arsenal and Manchester United in 1990/91, there was much speculation as to what punishments were likely to be handed to individual players and the clubs.

The FA finally announced their decision, deducting Manchester United 1 point and Arsenal 2 points.
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