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Don’t see too much of a difference between the red card here and the goal against wolves.

This is no comment on the correct decision for the Wolves game, but they are very different challenges.

AWB very clearly exceeds the threshold for SFP. It bewilders me why Walton was rattling on about “UEFA clamping down on these types of challenges”.

That’s been a red card for decades. Not breaking an ankle in that situation is determined purely by fortune alone.

I think the Young boys challenge mentioned in the above post is because of the force in the challenge

Quote from: dave26 on Tue 14 Sep 2021 18:54

I think the Young boys challenge mentioned in the above post is because of the force in the challenge

But it was over the top of the ball exactly the same?

It wasn’t remotely the same. UEFA are very clear that the point of contact is critical in determining sanctions.

AWB showed excessive force, led with studs at speed and with leg outstretched, and made clear impact above the ankle. The way the YB player’s ankle buckled demonstrates that fully.

The YB challenge was significantly lower force and point of impact was onto the boot, near the toe area.

The challenges aren’t remotely comparable.

Quote from: Affy_Moose on Tue 14 Sep 2021 18:59

Quote from: ajb95 on Tue 14 Sep 2021 18:55

Quote from: dave26 on Tue 14 Sep 2021 18:54

I think the Young boys challenge mentioned in the above post is because of the force in the challenge

But it was over the top of the ball exactly the same?

It wasn’t remotely the same. UEFA are very clear that the point of contact is critical in determining sanctions.

AWB showed excessive force, led with studs at speed and with leg outstretched, and made clear impact above the ankle. The way the YB player’s ankle buckled demonstrates that fully.

The YB challenge was significantly lower force and point of impact was onto the boot, near the toe area.

The challenges aren’t remotely comparable.

I’m not disputing the red card for AWB but to me there is sufficient force on the Blue player, studs up over the ball. To me very similar challenges and should be consistently punished

Edited to fix the quote thingy!

It is consistently punished. You won’t see another AWB tackle go without a red card unless a serious mistake is made.

I saw the YB challenge live but cannot find a replay. The tackles weren’t comparable - a significant difference in level of force and the point of contact was on the boot. The UEFA directives are very clear that point of contact to the boot is deemed reckless and as such is a cautionable offence. That has been a directive for at least five years - it’s entirely consistent.

Edit: I’ve found a replay and it’s even more tame than I recalled. He’s missed the ball and with his heel on the ground, the YB player has brought his front studs/front of his boot down on the boot of Fred. It’s a stick on yellow card for reckless but the amount of force is very low.  I can’t actually quite believe anyone thinks there’s a comparison worth making.

No penalty and RC (for DOGSO - no attempt to make a challenge for the ball) for a blatant push in the back on Ronaldo. If the referee can't see that from his angle then VAR should intervene.

Also second half one of the YB players slid with studs showing into the middle of Pogba's leg while he was on the ground having already been fouled. Player was obviously out of control so why was that not a RC?