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ajb95

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Man City v C Palace
« on: Sat 27 Aug 2022 18:19 »

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« Reply #1 on: Sat 27 Aug 2022 19:26 »
I dont think you are allowed to prevent the goalkeeper putting the ball back in play, he did stick his foot out when the keeper rolled the ball
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« Reply #2 on: Sat 27 Aug 2022 22:12 »
I dont think you are allowed to prevent the goalkeeper putting the ball back in play, he did stick his foot out when the keeper rolled the ball

Was it a block or a kick out of his hands? If the keeper has released it and he stuck his foot out then it’s legal, e.g. Karius in UCL final.

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« Reply #3 on: Sun 28 Aug 2022 10:35 »
Can someone explain why this is not a goal for Palace
https://twitter.com/utdbradleyy/status/1563542871445483527?s=21&t=3-n0prkJGQMtzXFj-9ohJQ
An indirect free kick is awarded if a player:
- prevents the goalkeeper from releasing the ball from the hands or kicks or attempts to kick the ball when the goalkeeper is in the process of releasing it
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« Reply #4 on: Sun 28 Aug 2022 11:38 »
I shouldn't be saying it as a Palace fan but I agree with the decision to disallow the goal. The Palace player stuck his foot out and (I think) touched the ball as it was being released by the City goalie. As for the Haaland high boot leading to Palace fans calls for a red card, No, I don't think so and I don't think VAR would have allowed it either. H was side on to the Palace player who was stooping anyway to head the ball. Not sure whether a yellow card was issued but definitely not a red card offence. Mind you, we could have done without Haaland in the 2nd half!   
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« Reply #5 on: Sun 28 Aug 2022 15:45 »
Not really different from the benzema goal in the champions league final

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« Reply #6 on: Sun 28 Aug 2022 18:34 »
Not really different from the benzema goal in the champions league final
Well, Benzema was around a metre away from Karius when he intercepted the ball,  as far as I can tell Édouard touches the ball more or less simultaneously with Ederson releasing it and his foot appears to make contact with Ederson's hand in the process.  So the two incidents are clearly different; you can argue whether Benzema was hindering Karius by being close but I don't think you can compare the two events.

As we are on the subject of poor decisions how about the elbow thrown into the jaw of Cancello by Ayew as they challenged for the ball which went out for the corner leading to Palace's second goal?

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« Reply #7 on: Tue 30 Aug 2022 13:24 »
All the discussion so far has been about the disallowed Palace goal.  I'm surprised there has been no comment on Haaland's kick to the head of a Palace player.  Plenty of debate elsewhere whether it should have been a red or yellow card, but to me it was very surprising, and an error, there was no card at all.

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« Reply #8 on: Sun 18 Sep 2022 09:25 »
Wolves red card for Collins absolutely correct. I am slightly sympathetic as he wasn’t really looking at the man. My question is why was that a red and haaland who kicked someone in the head in this game, when he could see the player, but not a red??
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« Reply #9 on: Sun 18 Sep 2022 11:24 »
Wolves red card for Collins absolutely correct. I am slightly sympathetic as he wasn’t really looking at the man. My question is why was that a red and haaland who kicked someone in the head in this game, when he could see the player, but not a red??

Haaland was very close to the ball and hardly touched him. Collins spear kicked him the chest and the ball was far away.

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« Reply #10 on: Sun 18 Sep 2022 12:29 »
Wolves red card for Collins absolutely correct. I am slightly sympathetic as he wasn’t really looking at the man. My question is why was that a red and haaland who kicked someone in the head in this game, when he could see the player, but not a red??

Haaland was very close to the ball and hardly touched him. Collins spear kicked him the chest and the ball was far away.

Can this and the other comment be moved to a dedicated Wolves v Man City thread by someone who knows how to do it? :)

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« Reply #11 on: Sun 18 Sep 2022 15:17 »
Wolves red card for Collins absolutely correct. I am slightly sympathetic as he wasn’t really looking at the man. My question is why was that a red and haaland who kicked someone in the head in this game, when he could see the player, but not a red??

Haaland was very close to the ball and hardly touched him. Collins spear kicked him the chest and the ball was far away.

Can this and the other comment be moved to a dedicated Wolves v Man City thread by someone who knows how to do it? :)

But those two comments are predominantly about the Man City V Crystal Palace incident - indeed the second post is entirely about that one.

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« Reply #12 on: Sun 18 Sep 2022 17:36 »
Wolves red card for Collins absolutely correct. I am slightly sympathetic as he wasn’t really looking at the man. My question is why was that a red and haaland who kicked someone in the head in this game, when he could see the player, but not a red??
It's the amount of momentum/force in the challenge. Collins was moving at speed directly towards Grealish, and he jumps into it meaning all his momentum is being transferred at the point of contact. Haaland just lifted a foot up trying to control the ball, he wasn't moving at speed, he didn't jump into it - the amount of force was minimal.
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« Reply #13 on: Tue 27 Sep 2022 11:06 »
Wolves red card for Collins absolutely correct. I am slightly sympathetic as he wasn’t really looking at the man. My question is why was that a red and haaland who kicked someone in the head in this game, when he could see the player, but not a red??

It's hard to see how SFP has occurred when referring to the IFAB definition of SFP. 

A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses
excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.
Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the
front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force
or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play


I don't think that any of this occurred as Haaland was in a standing position.
David Silva olé.
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