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M SALISBURY - Wolves v Leeds
« on: Sat 18 Mar 2023 17:27 »
Haven’t seen any highlights or footage yet but a real card fest at Molineux with 8 yellows and 2 reds.

An eventful game for Salisbury judging from the post match reporting.

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Re: M SALISBURY - Wolves v Leeds
« Reply #1 on: Sat 18 Mar 2023 18:36 »
The second red card was to an unused substitute for his reaction to Leeds' 4th goal
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Re: M SALISBURY - Wolves v Leeds
« Reply #2 on: Sat 18 Mar 2023 19:10 »
The second red card was to an unused substitute for his reaction to Leeds' 4th goal

And that was apparently given after Mr Salisbury had been sent to the monitor to check a possible foul by a Leeds player in the build-up to Leeds' 4th goal and then overruled the VAR to award the goal. Final Score pundits suggested that Salisbury was wrong.   

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Re: M SALISBURY - Wolves v Leeds
« Reply #3 on: Sat 18 Mar 2023 22:45 »
Only seen MOTD

Main points:

Nunn has been on the tanning bed since I last saw him!

Potential Wolves penalty in 1st half, too soft, VAR right not to intervene

Craig Dawson YC, could've been red, some will think not, Dawson lucky for me

Definitely no foul in build up to 3rd Leeds goal

(Great goal by Jonny I will add!)

Definite RC for Jonny, no complaints can be had

Most won't agree, I think Sailsbury was 100% right to ignore VAR with the Leeds 4th goal debacle. Play the whistle Adama! (Maybe by letter of the law yes it should've been a foul but its very weak.)

Nunes right to go, I hope Lopetegui gets charged as well, he's constantly petulant on the sideline.

Overall, I think comments I saw on the appts page that Sailsbury was awful are completely unjustified. All major calls correct, VAR helping with one, only question over Dawson tackle.
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Re: M SALISBURY - Wolves v Leeds
« Reply #4 on: Sat 18 Mar 2023 22:48 »
Well, I have just watched the highlights and I think Wolves were justifiably aggrieved by the events leading toLeeds last goal.
I think we haven’t heard the last of this performance.
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Re: M SALISBURY - Wolves v Leeds
« Reply #5 on: Sat 18 Mar 2023 23:11 »
Def red for Jonny Otto, think Salisbury should have picked that up without a var intervention, but referees dont seem to pick up these offences onfield which is slightly worrying.
Def pull back and Foul on Wolves Traore for Leeds 4th goal, dont think it would have had a bearing on final result but then we will never know.
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Re: M SALISBURY - Wolves v Leeds
« Reply #6 on: Sun 19 Mar 2023 00:26 »
Wolves appealing the Jonny Red which they have no grounds because it won’t be overturned, which could then double whammy them if the fa feel Dawson should of walked to that could come back to bite them
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Re: M SALISBURY - Wolves v Leeds
« Reply #7 on: Sun 19 Mar 2023 00:50 »
Def red for Jonny Otto, think Salisbury should have picked that up without a var intervention, but referees dont seem to pick up these offences onfield which is slightly worrying.
Def pull back and Foul on Wolves Traore for Leeds 4th goal, dont think it would have had a bearing on final result but then we will never know.

Can't agree on your last point. For such a well-built, substantially muscled player as Traore to think that slight pull on his shirt was sufficient for him to stop, expecting a whistle, is laughable.

The fact Match of the Day didn't even look at it again in their post match analysis says everything to me.
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Re: M SALISBURY - Wolves v Leeds
« Reply #8 on: Sun 19 Mar 2023 09:26 »
Once again a Premier League manager has avoided difficult questions about his side's performance by bleating about the match officials.

Wolves could have won that game if:
~  Their defenders could mark attackers at corners.
~  Their attackers were a bit more effective in front of goal.

They (most likely) would have only been 3-2 down if the aggrieved player had at least adhered to the under 8's instruction of playing to the whistle.  Its not like they are shy in sharing their "opinions" with the referee after the fact.  If you stop playing anticipating a whistle and one if not forthcoming, don't blame anyone else.
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Re: M SALISBURY - Wolves v Leeds
« Reply #9 on: Sun 19 Mar 2023 09:34 »
Not bad from Salisbury I like to see a referee show this sort of strength when it’s all going off like it was. I agree with Salisbury no foul and right to reject VAR Dave Coote.

I did feel Lopetegui should of seen red for his sideline antics the man is a nightmare on the touch line and bar a few yellows needs to be shown this is not the behaviour acceptable on the touch line (4th’s need to stop over managing the technical areas and apply justice to persistent offenders).
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Re: M SALISBURY - Wolves v Leeds
« Reply #10 on: Sun 19 Mar 2023 11:16 »
Most won't agree, I think Sailsbury was 100% right to ignore VAR with the Leeds 4th goal debacle. Play the whistle Adama! (Maybe by letter of the law yes it should've been a foul but its very weak.)
Actually even by the letter of the law it's not a foul IMO - law requires a holding offence to "impede the opponent's movement" and I would say that's definitely not the case here.
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Re: M SALISBURY - Wolves v Leeds
« Reply #11 on: Sun 19 Mar 2023 12:32 »
The red card was absolutely nailed on, if they appeal that there should be an additional game added to the ban for a frivolous appeal.

No way is that a foul leading up to the Leeds 3rd goal, and it certainly wasn't a clear and obvious error for Salisbury not to award it.  Coote has chucked him under the bus with that review, and pleased to see Salisbury stick by his original decision.
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Re: M SALISBURY - Wolves v Leeds
« Reply #12 on: Mon 20 Mar 2023 12:23 »
https://twitter.com/BG__85/status/1637518598192152580

Appears as though Nunes makes contact with Gary Beswick. 100% a red card can't do that. Wolves manager lucky to avoid going as well.

Yes there is a pulling off the shirt but the Wolves player just stops. Play on is correct.

The decision from Coote to intervene depends on what Salisbury said to him. If he said he saw a shirt pull but it wasn't enough, then its a shocker from Coote.
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Re: M SALISBURY - Wolves v Leeds
« Reply #13 on: Mon 20 Mar 2023 17:17 »
https://twitter.com/BG__85/status/1637518598192152580

Appears as though Nunes makes contact with Gary Beswick. 100% a red card can't do that. Wolves manager lucky to avoid going as well.

Yes there is a pulling off the shirt but the Wolves player just stops. Play on is correct.

The decision from Coote to intervene depends on what Salisbury said to him. If he said he saw a shirt pull but it wasn't enough, then its a shocker from Coote.

I'm going to hazard an educated guess that there was also fruity language involved, very much doubt that he barged into Gary Beswick whilst saying "are you awfully sure about that decision old chap". 

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Re: M SALISBURY - Wolves v Leeds
« Reply #14 on: Mon 20 Mar 2023 22:39 »
Most won't agree, I think Sailsbury was 100% right to ignore VAR with the Leeds 4th goal debacle. Play the whistle Adama! (Maybe by letter of the law yes it should've been a foul but its very weak.)
Actually even by the letter of the law it's not a foul IMO - law requires a holding offence to "impede the opponent's movement" and I would say that's definitely not the case here.

That's not what the law says. There are 3 offences
Holds an opponent
Impedes an opponent with contact
Impedes an opponent without contact

"IMPEDING THE PROGRESS OF AN OPPONENT WITHOUT CONTACT
Impeding the progress of an opponent means moving into the opponent’s path to obstruct, block, slow down or force a change of direction when the ball is not within playing distance of either player...."

Therefore presumably the possible offence was "holds an opponent". Is there guidance on this? Why should there be a difference as to whether the player is a "big man" or a "small man" as another poster has mentioned the size of Traore? It is now the case that any shirt pulling when seen by the on field team is generally given as a foul (unless the offence takes place in the penalty area!).