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M SALISBURY - Palace v Bournemouth
« on: Sun 14 May 2023 12:08 »
Surprised no one has commented on Andersen throwing a punch at Lerma in the box, which broke his nose and looked premeditated to me.

VAR said it wasn’t a clear and obvious error, as there was no swinging arm.

It was strong enough to smash his nose in though.

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Re: M SALISBURY - Palace v Bournemouth
« Reply #1 on: Sun 14 May 2023 14:11 »
Can retrospective action be taken?

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Re: M SALISBURY - Palace v Bournemouth
« Reply #2 on: Sun 14 May 2023 14:17 »
Surprised no one has commented on Andersen throwing a punch at Lerma in the box, which broke his nose and looked premeditated to me.

VAR said it wasn’t a clear and obvious error, as there was no swinging arm.

It was strong enough to smash his nose in though.

Possibly because some of us are waiting for the fury to subside before we comment...
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Re: M SALISBURY - Palace v Bournemouth
« Reply #3 on: Sun 14 May 2023 14:39 »
Can retrospective action be taken?

I doubt it as the incident was seen and dealt with by the officials/VAR at the time. Whether it was dealt with correctly is subjective, of course. My understanding is retrospective action can only be taken if an incident is missed/unseen but I stand to be corrected.
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Re: M SALISBURY - Palace v Bournemouth
« Reply #4 on: Sun 14 May 2023 14:40 »
Surprised no one has commented on Andersen throwing a punch at Lerma in the box, which broke his nose and looked premeditated to me.

VAR said it wasn’t a clear and obvious error, as there was no swinging arm.

It was strong enough to smash his nose in though.

How is it known that's what VAR said, just out of curiosity?

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Re: M SALISBURY - Palace v Bournemouth
« Reply #5 on: Sun 14 May 2023 16:38 »
For anyone who hasn’t seen it:

https://twitter.com/96bol/status/1657663924471308290?s=46&t=0Vr8lrEjWf6BS7tuk8ceJA

How that is not a red is beyond me. I don’t really care what VAR said or didn’t say, that is a punch to the face and the only outcome should have been a straight red. There is NO justification for any other decision.
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« Reply #6 on: Sun 14 May 2023 18:51 »
Very surprised it wasn't went for a review, the evidence was there as it was a clenched first rather than an accidental swinging arm.  Suspect it might well get discussed when Webb is on MNF tomorrow.

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Re: M SALISBURY - Palace v Bournemouth
« Reply #7 on: Sun 14 May 2023 21:52 »
A red card all day long.
We used to have inconsistencies in referees making decisions and the alleged rub of the green favouring certain teams. Since the advent of var we now have these questions raised about var, so now we are more inconsistent than ever apart from the factual decisions like offside.
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Re: M SALISBURY - Palace v Bournemouth
« Reply #8 on: Sun 14 May 2023 22:50 »
A red card all day long.
We used to have inconsistencies in referees making decisions and the alleged rub of the green favouring certain teams. Since the advent of var we now have these questions raised about var, so now we are more inconsistent than ever apart from the factual decisions like offside.

Of course. It's the same people with the same inconsistencies. Let referees referee and get a decent team of VAR technicians.

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« Reply #9 on: Sun 14 May 2023 22:58 »
When so much time is spent deciding if a forward’s toe was offside or not or if a defenders arm was in an unusual position when and if struck by a ball it seems ludicrous that a blatant act of serious foul play like this is ignored. Crazy. Another failure of VAR
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Re: M SALISBURY - Palace v Bournemouth
« Reply #10 on: Mon 15 May 2023 08:32 »
With the Milan derby that's 2 clear cut punches which have gone unpunished in a week.

Woe betide you if you hold a player's shirt collar however.
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Re: M SALISBURY - Palace v Bournemouth
« Reply #11 on: Mon 15 May 2023 09:18 »
With the Milan derby that's 2 clear cut punches which have gone unpunished in a week.

Woe betide you if you hold a player's shirt collar however.

Or have a nose hair or toenail offside!
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Re: M SALISBURY - Palace v Bournemouth
« Reply #12 on: Mon 15 May 2023 09:20 »
Surprised no one has commented on Andersen throwing a punch at Lerma in the box, which broke his nose and looked premeditated to me.

VAR said it wasn’t a clear and obvious error, as there was no swinging arm.

It was strong enough to smash his nose in though.

How is it known that's what VAR said, just out of curiosity?

If VAR had thought it was a clear and obvious error they would have intervened and called for an OFR.  Shamefully they didn't. Must have mistakenly thought they were watching the Chris Billam fight being hosted at DC instead of the football...
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Re: M SALISBURY - Palace v Bournemouth
« Reply #13 on: Mon 15 May 2023 12:31 »
Very surprised it wasn't went for a review, the evidence was there as it was a clenched first rather than an accidental swinging arm.  Suspect it might well get discussed when Webb is on MNF tomorrow.

It was, Dermot tried hard to explain why the player was not sent off but I do not think his heart was really in it.  He was in a minority of one on the programme.

PS:  On the basis of his views today, Paul Robinson would have made for a very strict referee - lots of penalties and red cards in his games!

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Re: M SALISBURY - Palace v Bournemouth
« Reply #14 on: Mon 15 May 2023 13:15 »
Very surprised it wasn't went for a review, the evidence was there as it was a clenched first rather than an accidental swinging arm.  Suspect it might well get discussed when Webb is on MNF tomorrow.

It was, Dermot tried hard to explain why the player was not sent off but I do not think his heart was really in it.  He was in a minority of one on the programme.

PS:  On the basis of his views today, Paul Robinson would have made for a very strict referee - lots of penalties and red cards in his games!

In fairness, I thought Dermot said that the player was 'so lucky' which I interpreted as DG saying it should have been a RC, even though he tried to explain what VAR may have been thinking.
Agree about Paul Robinson.  Would have liked more discussion about the disallowed West Ham goal for hand ball but not by the scorer.  It just emphasised the confusion surrounding the issue.

Both Sue Smith & Paul Robinson seemed to have less sympathy than Dermot for Pickford!

Plenty of questions for Howard Webb this evening if they get asked and if he chooses to answer them.