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M OLIVER - Liverpool v Arsenal EFL
« on: Thu 13 Jan 2022 20:10 »
Straight red for Xhaka for dangerous play. Could have also been for DOGSO as well in the circumstances.

Definite red card and no need for VAR to get involved unnecessarily.

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Re: M OLIVER - Liverpool v Arsenal EFL
« Reply #1 on: Thu 13 Jan 2022 20:20 »
My guess is he went for DOGSO but I could be sold on SFP too

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Re: M OLIVER - Liverpool v Arsenal EFL
« Reply #2 on: Thu 13 Jan 2022 20:38 »
More importantly FIFA santa claus has caught up on his rounds with MO sporting a 2022 badge, lit up by that "tasteful" shirt

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Re: M OLIVER - Liverpool v Arsenal EFL
« Reply #3 on: Thu 13 Jan 2022 20:41 »
More importantly FIFA santa claus has caught up on his rounds with MO sporting a 2022 badge, lit up by that "tasteful" shirt

Plus Oliver with a sparking clean EFL badge 😜😜😜

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Re: M OLIVER - Liverpool v Arsenal EFL
« Reply #4 on: Thu 13 Jan 2022 20:42 »
For me defo dogso, SFP is a tad harsh but supportable

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« Reply #5 on: Thu 13 Jan 2022 21:25 »
More importantly FIFA santa claus has caught up on his rounds with MO sporting a 2022 badge, lit up by that "tasteful" shirt

Plus Oliver with a sparking clean EFL badge 😜😜😜


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Re: M OLIVER - Liverpool v Arsenal EFL
« Reply #6 on: Thu 13 Jan 2022 22:13 »
Excellent performance from Oliver
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Re: M OLIVER - Liverpool v Arsenal EFL
« Reply #7 on: Thu 13 Jan 2022 23:33 »
Fantastic performance from the team of officials tonight. No one can have any complaints there

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Re: M OLIVER - Liverpool v Arsenal EFL
« Reply #8 on: Fri 14 Jan 2022 08:47 »
The Sky commentators said VAR was going back to look at the approach play before confirming decision so I presume it was for DOGSO as they wouldn't check the APP for SFP. Unless there was a potential penalty or another potential red card beforehand as well of course!

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Re: M OLIVER - Liverpool v Arsenal EFL
« Reply #9 on: Fri 14 Jan 2022 10:44 »
The Sky commentators said VAR was going back to look at the approach play before confirming decision so I presume it was for DOGSO as they wouldn't check the APP for SFP. Unless there was a potential penalty or another potential red card beforehand as well of course!

Good point Readingfan I agree with you, most likely DOGSO then.

For me on a technical level it wasn't quite DOGSO (doubt as to attacker getting to the ball first) and it wasn't quite SFP (contact not overly dangerous or forceful but very high) but both were supportable (more so SFP for me actually) and the picture as a whole definitely 'felt' like a red card. In law I think you can absolutely justify a yellow but that would be trying to be too clever, Oliver gave the decision that was expected, accepted and ultimately correct. I also liked how he showed the red card, quickly and with very definite confident body language. I think his interactions with the dismissed player after he showed the red demonstrated how much respect the players have for him.
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Re: M OLIVER - Liverpool v Arsenal EFL
« Reply #10 on: Fri 14 Jan 2022 11:24 »
The Sky commentators said VAR was going back to look at the approach play before confirming decision so I presume it was for DOGSO as they wouldn't check the APP for SFP. Unless there was a potential penalty or another potential red card beforehand as well of course!
I believe they were checking to see if the attacker was offside, if he was then a different start mode ie indirect free kick to arsenal would have occurred.
Personally i believe the red was issued for dogso but if it was sfp the red card should have stood if even if attacker offside. Pickford/van dijk/ oliver come to mnd.

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Re: M OLIVER - Liverpool v Arsenal EFL
« Reply #11 on: Fri 14 Jan 2022 11:25 »
The Sky commentators said VAR was going back to look at the approach play before confirming decision so I presume it was for DOGSO as they wouldn't check the APP for SFP. Unless there was a potential penalty or another potential red card beforehand as well of course!

Good point Readingfan I agree with you, most likely DOGSO then.

For me on a technical level it wasn't quite DOGSO (doubt as to attacker getting to the ball first) and it wasn't quite SFP (contact not overly dangerous or forceful but very high) but both were supportable (more so SFP for me actually) and the picture as a whole definitely 'felt' like a red card. In law I think you can absolutely justify a yellow but that would be trying to be too clever, Oliver gave the decision that was expected, accepted and ultimately correct. I also liked how he showed the red card, quickly and with very definite confident body language. I think his interactions with the dismissed player after he showed the red demonstrated how much respect the players have for him.

I think you've summarised that quite well.  I agree - it's on the boundary line between DOGSO and SPA, but DOGSO 'feels' right, even if there is some doubt as to whether it's an "obvious" goalscoring opportunity. 

If we consider the aspects for such a decision:

Distance: DOGSO
Position: DOGSO
Defenders: probably DOGSO
Control: maybe DOGSO
Direction: DOGSO

Just about enough to justify a caution, but as an AR or a referee in that match (bearing in mind angles and one view), I just don't see me giving/advising anything other than a red card there. 

I've seen training clips in recent times where I think referees or associations have been trying to be too fancy.  "If it quacks like a duck"...

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Re: M OLIVER - Liverpool v Arsenal EFL
« Reply #12 on: Fri 14 Jan 2022 12:40 »
The Sky commentators said VAR was going back to look at the approach play before confirming decision so I presume it was for DOGSO as they wouldn't check the APP for SFP. Unless there was a potential penalty or another potential red card beforehand as well of course!
I believe they were checking to see if the attacker was offside, if he was then a different start mode ie indirect free kick to arsenal would have occurred.
Personally i believe the red was issued for dogso but if it was sfp the red card should have stood if even if attacker offside. Pickford/van dijk/ oliver come to mnd.

If striker was offside and red card was for DOGSO then red card would be rescinded and play would restart with IDFK to Arsenal.

If striker was offside and red card was for SFP then VAR wouldn't intervene at all if red card correct - red card would stand and play would continue with free-kick to Liverpool.