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I agree Reflector

Presumption that the technology was working as it should have been, especially as it was working when they checked it only an hour or so before, I can understand.  As the GLT watch didn't buzz or the goal voice over didn't happen on the comms the referee will have presumed that not all of the ball had crossed - he will not have had that lovely close up view that everyone watching on TV will have had, or those of us who weren't have seen on twitter etc. - let's not forget that. Nor will the AR or the 4O. Aside of reaction of the players, who overreact to everything in any event, he will have had no cause to ask for a VAR review.

However whilst I have sympathies with those on the pitch and can understand their side of the fiasco, I really cannot fathom how there was no justification for VAR to intervene. He will have had access to that close up, how can he sit there & say nothing? If it is down to protocol, then that need to be changed immediately. Protocol or not he should have said hang on I think there is a problem with the GLT, I advise a review. I really don't think anyone would have jumped up and down saying the VAR had no right to intervene. In fact I think he would have been praised for breaking protocol and preventing an injustice.

Obviously a failure on the part of Hawkeye. So where was Chingachgook when he was needed?

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 But - most importantly - VAR has failed miserably, and that is almost certainly down to its human operators.  The GDS can fail, fair enough.  Yet VAR did nothing when everyone watching the game could see it was a goal.  I don't know who was responsible but it is a monumental and unforgiveable mistake, basically because it was not difficult to get right.  It is outrageous.

It took less than half a match after the shutdown for the VAR officials to demonstrate that they are palpably not fit for purpose.

Whilst I am prepared to concede that the SG officials are possibly the best people available for that particular job, there must be so many much, much better people who lack the physical and interpersonal skills needed for on-field refereeing, who would be a huge improvement on the inadequate incumbents.

Quote from: LateTackle on Thu 18 Jun 2020 01:04

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 But - most importantly - VAR has failed miserably, and that is almost certainly down to its human operators.  The GDS can fail, fair enough.  Yet VAR did nothing when everyone watching the game could see it was a goal.  I don't know who was responsible but it is a monumental and unforgiveable mistake, basically because it was not difficult to get right.  It is outrageous.

It took less than half a match after the shutdown for the VAR officials to demonstrate that they are palpably not fit for purpose.

Whilst I am prepared to concede that the SG officials are possibly the best people available for that particular job, there must be so many much, much better people who lack the physical and interpersonal skills needed for on-field refereeing, who would be a huge improvement on the inadequate incumbents.

We are told that Hawkeye has been used in over 9,000 games.  That is the equivalent of more than 23 Premier League seasons.  This is the first time I can remember any controversy over a goal line decision in one of those games.  That's pretty impressive.  I don't think there will be any clamour for a return to the old days; just a realisation amongst officials (video or otherwise) that technology is not infallible and that they need to keep their wits about them.

Secondly, no end of balls are belted into the goals at half time by non-participants in the game.  That's why the assistants check the nets when they come back out.  I would expect the referee's watch to be beeping non-stop while he is in the changing room as a result.  Presumably the system or the watch are usually switched off to prevent this.  Maybe it wasn't this time because they were testing it.

What I find most incredible is the failure of the referee, a man acknowledged as the best in the country, to consult VAR, and for those at the VAR bunker to fail to alert him.  As I said, such a catalogue of errors does the Premier League no credit.  If Aston Villa were to survive because of that and relegate, say, Bournemouth, we may have a serious controversy in a few weeks time.

In all fairness to Mike Oliver, I think most of us would completely trust a system that hasn't failed once in 6 years throughout 800,000 minutes of football across the PL, Bundesliga, Eredivisie and Serie A.

Microscopist, I'm not sure to whom you are attaching the mistake.  I thought it had been established that it would be VAR's responsibility in those circumstances as Clattenburg and others have indicated.  All VAR had to do was say "Michael, I think we may have a problem, stop the game while we check and then you have a look"
Or doesn't it work like that?

Moving forward, no player is ever going to trust the GDS again.  Up until about 6.30pm yesterday, when there was a dispute over whether or not the ball has crossed the line, the referee has pointed to his watch, shrugged his shoulders and the disputing player's case is deflated and lost.

No more.

The player will say politely (or maybe not!) that the GDS is not infallible and he should get a VAR check.

As GDS has now been proved fallible, we might as well get rid and use VAR for goal-line decisions.  This would save a fortune.

I would agree with you Leggy. Personally I don't think there will be a problem where a goal is given via a 'buzz' to the referee, but I do believe that VARs will be required to get involved where a goal is not given and there is contention about it. A pity because goal line technology has been a hitherto infallible and accepted part of the game since it was introduced, but if that is the price that has to be paid for getting the decisions correct, then so be it.