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I think a red card.  Only Godfrey knows whether it’s deliberate or not. Not an easy one.

I’m not sure he planted his foot in his face as I didn’t see that.  Also, I don’t think it’s a disgraceful decision.  I can’t see how anyone can fully prove it was deliberate.

Quote from: Ref Watcher on Tue 07 Dec 2021 12:24

Quote from: James365 on Tue 07 Dec 2021 11:58

I think a red card.  Only Godfrey knows whether it’s deliberate or not. Not an easy one.

I’m not sure he planted his foot in his face as I didn’t see that.  Also, I don’t think it’s a disgraceful decision.  I can’t see how anyone can fully prove it was deliberate.

There is no need for anyone to prove it was deliberate.  Did it endanger the safety of an opponent or use excessive force or brutality?  If so it is serious foul play and a red card offence.

As stated, only Godfrey knows whether or not it was a deliberate act.
As far as the question of endangering an opponent goes, this was hardly a normal situation as far as two players are concerned. It was not a high foot? No. Did the Arsenal player put himself in danger by stooping to head the ball? No. did the Arsenal player fall to the ground of his own accord? No, it was a coming together, as happens frequently in any game. Could Godfrey have avoided landing on him? Only one person can answer that question!

If you class  this as endangering an opponent, then the goal which Ramsey had disallowed against Leicester must fall into this category because it was intentional and the keeper had every right to be in the position he was, therefore, Ramsey could/should have received a red card.

It does make me wonder just where the game is going because every incident that comes up for discussion pushes it nearer to becoming a non-contact game.

Only Godfrey knows, everything else is just opinion and Mike Dean and VAR could not say 100% that  there was any intent at all.

Quote from: Ashington46 on Tue 07 Dec 2021 13:25

Quote from: Ref Watcher on Tue 07 Dec 2021 12:24

Quote from: James365 on Tue 07 Dec 2021 11:58

I think a red card.  Only Godfrey knows whether it’s deliberate or not. Not an easy one.

I’m not sure he planted his foot in his face as I didn’t see that.  Also, I don’t think it’s a disgraceful decision.  I can’t see how anyone can fully prove it was deliberate.

There is no need for anyone to prove it was deliberate.  Did it endanger the safety of an opponent or use excessive force or brutality?  If so it is serious foul play and a red card offence.

As stated, only Godfrey knows whether or not it was a deliberate act.
As far as the question of endangering an opponent goes, this was hardly a normal situation as far as two players are concerned. It was not a high foot? No. Did the Arsenal player put himself in danger by stooping to head the ball? No. did the Arsenal player fall to the ground of his own accord? No, it was a coming together, as happens frequently in any game. Could Godfrey have avoided landing on him? Only one person can answer that question!

If you class  this as endangering an opponent, then the goal which Ramsey had disallowed against Leicester must fall into this category because it was intentional and the keeper had every right to be in the position he was, therefore, Ramsey could/should have received a red card.

It does make me wonder just where the game is going because every incident that comes up for discussion pushes it nearer to becoming a non-contact game.

Only Godfrey knows, everything else is just opinion and Mike Dean and VAR could not say 100% that  there was any intent at all.

i dont see how this and the ramsey incident are comparable, this was someone stamping on someones head? Intent doesnt come into it anymore.

Quote from: Hertsref123 on Tue 07 Dec 2021 14:29

Quote from: Ashington46 on Tue 07 Dec 2021 13:25

Quote from: Ref Watcher on Tue 07 Dec 2021 12:24

Quote from: James365 on Tue 07 Dec 2021 11:58

I think a red card.  Only Godfrey knows whether it’s deliberate or not. Not an easy one.

I’m not sure he planted his foot in his face as I didn’t see that.  Also, I don’t think it’s a disgraceful decision.  I can’t see how anyone can fully prove it was deliberate.

There is no need for anyone to prove it was deliberate.  Did it endanger the safety of an opponent or use excessive force or brutality?  If so it is serious foul play and a red card offence.

As stated, only Godfrey knows whether or not it was a deliberate act.
As far as the question of endangering an opponent goes, this was hardly a normal situation as far as two players are concerned. It was not a high foot? No. Did the Arsenal player put himself in danger by stooping to head the ball? No. did the Arsenal player fall to the ground of his own accord? No, it was a coming together, as happens frequently in any game. Could Godfrey have avoided landing on him? Only one person can answer that question!

If you class  this as endangering an opponent, then the goal which Ramsey had disallowed against Leicester must fall into this category because it was intentional and the keeper had every right to be in the position he was, therefore, Ramsey could/should have received a red card.

It does make me wonder just where the game is going because every incident that comes up for discussion pushes it nearer to becoming a non-contact game.

Only Godfrey knows, everything else is just opinion and Mike Dean and VAR could not say 100% that  there was any intent at all.

i dont see how this and the ramsey incident are comparable, this was someone stamping on someones head? Intent doesnt come into it anymore.

Fair enough if that is the opinion, however, every time someone goes in for a tackle and stands on his opponents foot because he has missed the ball, a foul is given, however,  this is definitely a stamp because he could have avoided stamping on the foot by not making the challenge,  therefore, let's follow the letter of the law and give him a red card for a stamp as well as awarding the foul. There are also occasions when players are down and their opponent stamps on their hand, therefore, a red card should ensue.

All about opinions and, as I previously stated, only Godfrey knows whether it was a deliberate stamp or just an unfortunate accident, as happens when players come together in the instances I have mentioned.
The fact that you put your boots on and are determined to play the game as it should be played constitutes endangering your opponent and he is doing the same.