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Re: M DEAN - Arsenal v Tottenham
« Reply #15 on: Mon 03 Dec 2018 19:27 »
Mr Cann showing again why he is and has been one of the finest assistants this country has produced.

I think the card shark has been excellent today.

I sincerely hope you weren't disagreeing with the fact that Mr Cann is one of the finest assistants we have produced in England.

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Re: M DEAN - Arsenal v Tottenham
« Reply #16 on: Mon 03 Dec 2018 20:23 »
Mr Cann showing again why he is and has been one of the finest assistants this country has produced.

I think the card shark has been excellent today.

I sincerely hope you weren't disagreeing with the fact that Mr Cann is one of the finest assistants we have produced in England.
I think you are quite aware which of your two statements I disagree with ;)

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Re: M DEAN - Arsenal v Tottenham
« Reply #17 on: Mon 03 Dec 2018 22:04 »
Mr Cann showing again why he is and has been one of the finest assistants this country has produced.

I think the card shark has been excellent today.

I sincerely hope you weren't disagreeing with the fact that Mr Cann is one of the finest assistants we have produced in England.
I think you are quite aware which of your two statements I disagree with ;)

It would be good if you explained why you feel this rather than just pressing Disagree on the myriad of positive posts like someone with an agenda against the referee in question.
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Re: M DEAN - Arsenal v Tottenham
« Reply #18 on: Mon 03 Dec 2018 22:19 »
Looking back at the Arsenal v Leicester thread a few posters said a YC wouldn't have been necessary for a similar handball/penalty (which wasn't awarded) to that for which Vertonghen received his first YC.

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Re: M DEAN - Arsenal v Tottenham
« Reply #19 on: Mon 03 Dec 2018 23:07 »
Mr Cann showing again why he is and has been one of the finest assistants this country has produced.

I think the card shark has been excellent today.

I sincerely hope you weren't disagreeing with the fact that Mr Cann is one of the finest assistants we have produced in England.
I think you are quite aware which of your two statements I disagree with ;)

It would be good if you explained why you feel this rather than just pressing Disagree on the myriad of positive posts like someone with an agenda against the referee in question.
If I explain my opinion I am castigated for doing so , Iím not allowed a different opinion to others without running the risk of a multitude of complaints to bmb . I will stick to agree and disagree itís safer and a damn sight less stress and hassle.

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Re: M DEAN - Arsenal v Tottenham
« Reply #20 on: Tue 04 Dec 2018 07:12 »
I think a yellow card is justifiable in this situation - deliberately pushes it away from the opposing player who is going to get a chance
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Re: M DEAN - Arsenal v Tottenham
« Reply #21 on: Tue 04 Dec 2018 09:17 »
I've always liked Mike Dean as a referee. He just seems to get most of his decisions right. On the field he appears quite stentorian, off the field, he is one of the most amusing and convivial referees around who always shows great concern for his fellow officials when they fall into difficult times.

Mike though is no spring chicken. When he leaves the SG1 list then one of the " big hitters" will be gone and Martin Atkinson is of similar vintage. I hope replacements will be found to make confident appointments to very high profile matches. I am not sure that Pawson is quite there yet; Kavanagh is clearly a hugely promising prospect. Further down the chain, I expect Rob Jones, Darren England and possibly John Brooks to be the next "big hitters"

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Re: M DEAN - Arsenal v Tottenham
« Reply #22 on: Tue 04 Dec 2018 10:32 »
Mr Cann showing again why he is and has been one of the finest assistants this country has produced.

I think the card shark has been excellent today.

I sincerely hope you weren't disagreeing with the fact that Mr Cann is one of the finest assistants we have produced in England.
I think you are quite aware which of your two statements I disagree with ;)

It would be good if you explained why you feel this rather than just pressing Disagree on the myriad of positive posts like someone with an agenda against the referee in question.
If I explain my opinion I am castigated for doing so , Iím not allowed a different opinion to others without running the risk of a multitude of complaints to bmb . I will stick to agree and disagree itís safer and a damn sight less stress and hassle.

Although you insist on making yourself look a bit of a dick by continually clicking on the 'disagree' icon without explaining your reason(s)?
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« Reply #23 on: Tue 04 Dec 2018 13:25 »
Ok so I will reply , my tin hat is going on .....
I understand that I am absolutely in the minority and I accept that but surely a forum is for different views?
I think mike dean is a poor referee  and my reasoning is thus .. he is a very experienced excellent decision maker but in my opinion robotic , everything is black and white he shows no understanding of the game and far from being brave and not shirking decisions he makes the decision that will attract the most attention be that positive or negative, his demonstrative signals are all limelight seeking his strutting about ,waving players away  all in my opinion come accross as an official who is in the game for as much attention as he can get , now in my opinion that is exactly the opposite of a good referee , there is much more to refereeing than making correct decisions, the best referees communicate with players , manage them and seek to run the game with the minimum of fuss , mike Iím afraid appears to look for controversy . I will finish by saying Iím sure he is. A nice guy and nothing Iíve said is an attempt to slight his character I know many who change when they cross the white line , mike dean just does not referee in a style I like thatís it no agenda. I donít want to get into rows with people on here , this forum is full of strong characters who are very quick to Ďcorrectí people I have no axe to grind with any of you and would sincerely wish that we could all co exist with our differences, I enjoy the forum but will admit that at times keeping my views to myself would be far easier. Although a little early I wish you all a pleasant festive season.
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Re: M DEAN - Arsenal v Tottenham
« Reply #24 on: Tue 04 Dec 2018 16:19 »
Ok so I will reply , my tin hat is going on .....
I understand that I am absolutely in the minority and I accept that but surely a forum is for different views?
I think mike dean is a poor referee  and my reasoning is thus .. he is a very experienced excellent decision maker but in my opinion robotic , everything is black and white he shows no understanding of the game and far from being brave and not shirking decisions he makes the decision that will attract the most attention be that positive or negative, his demonstrative signals are all limelight seeking his strutting about ,waving players away  all in my opinion come accross as an official who is in the game for as much attention as he can get , now in my opinion that is exactly the opposite of a good referee , there is much more to refereeing than making correct decisions, the best referees communicate with players , manage them and seek to run the game with the minimum of fuss , mike Iím afraid appears to look for controversy . I will finish by saying Iím sure he is. A nice guy and nothing Iíve said is an attempt to slight his character I know many who change when they cross the white line , mike dean just does not referee in a style I like thatís it no agenda. I donít want to get into rows with people on here , this forum is full of strong characters who are very quick to Ďcorrectí people I have no axe to grind with any of you and would sincerely wish that we could all co exist with our differences, I enjoy the forum but will admit that at times keeping my views to myself would be far easier. Although a little early I wish you all a pleasant festive season.
Kind regards
Nick

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I will let the personal insult slide .

I agree about his style nick and can see why people donít like him/his style. Surely the best referee is the one who - more often than not - gets the big decisions right regardless of his manner of refereeing. We all have different styles and mine is more lenient than mikeís but I donít agree he is a poor referee because he doesnít ďmanageĒ games as much

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Re: M DEAN - Arsenal v Tottenham
« Reply #25 on: Tue 04 Dec 2018 17:31 »
Plym-Nick, you make your argument in a very reasonable and cogent way although personally I do not accept your conclusions. Many referees allow their decisions to be influenced by what they can "sell" and what will not attract too much anger. Mike Dean is not one such. He calls it as he sees it regardless of the consequence of others opinions of him. When I was plying the refereeing trade ( albeit at a much, much junior level to Mike Dean ) we were always encouraged to referee in a style which suited us and not try to ape anyone else whose style didn't. I would never referee in the style of Mike Dean ( my role models were Ron Challis and Joe Worrall ) but it works for him. I believe that he is quite popular among many of the players; that maybe because he has been around at the top level for so long and also because he is firm but fair and they always get what they expect.
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Re: M DEAN - Arsenal v Tottenham
« Reply #26 on: Fri 07 Dec 2018 22:39 »
Mike Dean seems to be a very marmite referee, you either love him or you hate him. I Actually like his no nonsense approach, It Made him one of the country's best for so long. I personally think it's rather effective, especially in games like the north London derby. He doesn't Shirk the big decisions either.

We all referee differently, A lot of our top referees down the years have had different styles, and it's worked out for a lot of them. I prefer to judge referee's on there ability to make the right decision personally, and apply the laws consistently and fairly.
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