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Lucy Oliver
« on: Sat 14 Nov 2020 15:59 »
Unless I have missed something in the appointments, Lucy has not been involved in any WSL games, inc as 4th O, since her error in failing to award a red card for a 2nd yellow some weeks ago.
Does anyone know if she has been hung out to dry? Or if there is another explanation.
If the former maybe it’s a good job the PGMOL don’t have such draconian methods as some of our esteemed PL refs might also be finding themselves with nothing to do on match day, inc our much esteemed FIFA ref whose awful decision making in the FA Cup Final still beggars belief

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Re: Lucy Oliver
« Reply #1 on: Sat 14 Nov 2020 16:37 »
Unfortunately one is fact of law, the other was opinion. Hence the difference.
I know of a referee who "sent" a player off after the whistle in a FL game for gesture to crowd whilst still in FOP but failed to show red card and put it through as a reportable offence. That cost him 2 week suspension

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Re: Lucy Oliver
« Reply #2 on: Sat 14 Nov 2020 17:17 »
You have to differentiate between being incorrect in law and making a mistake.  Being incorrect in law means that the referee saw something clearly but then applied law or competition rules incorrectly, examples include ones like this situation but also getting the restart wrong after penalising encroachment at a penalty, playing extra time when you shouldn't, or vice versa, etc.  Situations like this almost always result in the referee being charged and suspended for three weeks, there are countless precedents for this in England.

That is very different to making a mistake, and generally the worst that is going to happen in this situation is your mark will be a maximum of 7.9 for the game in question. 
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Re: Lucy Oliver
« Reply #3 on: Sat 14 Nov 2020 17:50 »
Unfortunately one is fact of law, the other was opinion. Hence the difference.
I know of a referee who "sent" a player off after the whistle in a FL game for gesture to crowd whilst still in FOP but failed to show red card and put it through as a reportable offence. That cost him 2 week suspension

I remember something like that happening with Grant Hegley in a game between Reading and Sheffield United in 2005.

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Re: Lucy Oliver
« Reply #4 on: Sat 14 Nov 2020 22:09 »
Unfortunately one is fact of law, the other was opinion. Hence the difference.
I know of a referee who "sent" a player off after the whistle in a FL game for gesture to crowd whilst still in FOP but failed to show red card and put it through as a reportable offence. That cost him 2 week suspension

I remember something like that happening with Grant Hegley in a game between Reading and Sheffield United in 2005.

The irony of that was that Keith Gillespie, who Hegley failed to show a red card after the final whistle resulting in a two week suspension, was sent off 12 seconds after coming on as a sub on his next visit to Reading the following year !
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Re: Lucy Oliver
« Reply #5 on: Sat 14 Nov 2020 22:13 »
Unfortunately one is fact of law, the other was opinion. Hence the difference.
I know of a referee who "sent" a player off after the whistle in a FL game for gesture to crowd whilst still in FOP but failed to show red card and put it through as a reportable offence. That cost him 2 week suspension

I remember something like that happening with Grant Hegley in a game between Reading and Sheffield United in 2005.

The irony of that was that Keith Gillespie, who Hegley failed to show a red card after the final whistle resulting in a two week suspension, was sent off 12 seconds after coming on as a sub on his next visit to Reading the following year !

Hegley showing a red card? Must’ve been very serious!

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Re: Lucy Oliver
« Reply #6 on: Sat 14 Nov 2020 22:21 »
Unfortunately one is fact of law, the other was opinion. Hence the difference.
I know of a referee who "sent" a player off after the whistle in a FL game for gesture to crowd whilst still in FOP but failed to show red card and put it through as a reportable offence. That cost him 2 week suspension

I remember something like that happening with Grant Hegley in a game between Reading and Sheffield United in 2005.

The irony of that was that Keith Gillespie, who Hegley failed to show a red card after the final whistle resulting in a two week suspension, was sent off 12 seconds after coming on as a sub on his next visit to Reading the following year !

Hegley showing a red card? Must’ve been very serious!


He didn't. That was the whole point. Grant Hegley was, for me, one of the best referees from a paying customer's point of view.

Not sure he was ever the same after his suspension, trying to be what was expected of him rather than what he was good at.

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Re: Lucy Oliver
« Reply #7 on: Sun 15 Nov 2020 09:15 »
I recall the Reading v Sheffield United game was a top of the table clash in the Championship which may well have been awarded to a SG1 ref now. Sheffield United manager - one Neil 'Colin' Warnock - was one of those who was not amused with Grant's performance. The game led to a change, with top Championship games being refereed (in the main) by SG1 refs after that.

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Re: Lucy Oliver
« Reply #8 on: Sun 15 Nov 2020 11:01 »
I recall the Reading v Sheffield United game was a top of the table clash in the Championship which may well have been awarded to a SG1 ref now. Sheffield United manager - one Neil 'Colin' Warnock - was one of those who was not amused with Grant's performance. The game led to a change, with top Championship games being refereed (in the main) by SG1 refs after that.

Funnily enough the last time I saw him referee was at Reading vs. Donny Rovers where he gave everything to the home side and managed to infuriate the normally mild-mannered Sean O'Driscoll. Maybe he was a secret Reading fan. Not long after he picked up the injury that finished his career, so maybe that voodoo doll worked.

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Re: Lucy Oliver
« Reply #9 on: Sun 15 Nov 2020 15:06 »
Unfortunately one is fact of law, the other was opinion. Hence the difference.
I know of a referee who "sent" a player off after the whistle in a FL game for gesture to crowd whilst still in FOP but failed to show red card and put it through as a reportable offence. That cost him 2 week suspension

I remember something like that happening with Grant Hegley in a game between Reading and Sheffield United in 2005.

The irony of that was that Keith Gillespie, who Hegley failed to show a red card after the final whistle resulting in a two week suspension, was sent off 12 seconds after coming on as a sub on his next visit to Reading the following year !

Hegley showing a red card? Must’ve been very serious!


He didn't. That was the whole point. Grant Hegley was, for me, one of the best referees from a paying customer's point of view.

Not sure he was ever the same after his suspension, trying to be what was expected of him rather than what he was good at.


I entirely agree with you m'learned friend. Grant Hegley was an excellent referee whose style and interpretation of officiating became less and less appreciated by those "in charge" of senior refereeing which I believe did lead to a feeling of disillusionment on his part. I remember him as 4th, coming on at a Play Off semi Final at MK Dons ( against Scunthorpe I think but not entirely sure on that )when the referee, Neil Swarbrick, went down. It had been a very tense match and there was no-one better than Hegley to stop the match from boiling over. I seem to remember  there might have been a red card from him on that occasion for a defender handling on the goal line. There was also a spate of "handbags" which he did well to defuse. The match went into extra time and penalties and finished at about 11.15pm !
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Re: Lucy Oliver
« Reply #10 on: Sun 15 Nov 2020 19:19 »
Who would have thought that a post about Lucy Oliver would morph into one about Grant Henley? 🤪
But that’s the beauty of RTR is it not
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Re: Lucy Oliver
« Reply #11 on: Sun 15 Nov 2020 19:43 »
Who would have thought that a post about Lucy Oliver would morph into one about Grant Henley? 🤪
But that’s the beauty of RTR is it not

Or even Grant Hegley.
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Re: Lucy Oliver
« Reply #12 on: Mon 16 Nov 2020 07:06 »
Who would have thought that a post about Lucy Oliver would morph into one about Grant Henley? 🤪
But that’s the beauty of RTR is it not

Or even Grant Hegley.

Bloody predictive text!

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Re: Lucy Oliver
« Reply #13 on: Mon 16 Nov 2020 09:02 »
Who would have thought that a post about Lucy Oliver would morph into one about Grant Henley? 🤪
But that’s the beauty of RTR is it not

Or even Grant Hegley.

Bloody predictive text!

...but not as good as 'Sin day Service' in our Church bulletin.  ;D
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