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Re: Lee Probert Sunderland v Luton Town.
« Reply #15 on: Sun 13 Jan 2019 09:50 »

 Well in a way with second v third and a very partisan crowd I can see [ despite my ignorance as a fan only] why they appointed an SG1 to the game, however as I posted on Tuesday when the appts were verified [ as Monday didn't have a name to the game] it was surprising to me they hauled LP from Avon/Wiltshire or wherever he is based up to Sunderland when other SG1 s within a more reasonable travel time were available.

He's a Bristolian who has been based in Wiltshire since his late teens, as far as I am aware. From memory he actually did his ref training as a 14/15yr old on the Isle of Wight and moved to Wiltshire fairly soon after. I haven't seen any highlights of the game (I was lost in the wonders of photoshop for more hours than I should have been, hence why I am posting at 3.50am - oops!) but in general he is a decent, steady, safe pair of hands who seems to enjoy his games whatever level he is reffin at and a poor game from him (if he did have one) is a rarity as opposed to the norm. 

Perhaps the travelling distance affected him, he had a very serious back injury that required surgery and was at one stage very close to being forced to retire because of it.  The surgery was successful hence his comeback but he still has a bad back & always will. IMO he should not be travelling long distances because of it as I'm pretty sure it would aggravate it.  I suffer from a back injury, fairly similar to his, although mine is too damaged for surgery & I can only drive short distances due to it. Even travelling from Poole to Southampton, around 35 miles, is a struggle so I know what it must be like for him.

 I knew he had been missing injured for a while and it was back issues, but I didn't realise to what extent it had affected him, and this being the case then it is understandable, and very well explained bmb.

 To be honest [ and PLEASE I USE THIS WORD AS A COMPLIMENT] LPs "languid" and easy going style on the field is likeable and over many years I cannot remember very many controversies when he has reffed my side , but it seemed like yesterday he just didn't look himself, with one press report saying he had [ and i quote] " lost control" at the start of the second half.As an individual I didn't think that was a fair comment at all.

 In my own profession I  am the type of person who will always try to help and I can never normally say "NO" and perhaps as you explain bmb despite his bad back LP is the same.

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Re: Lee Probert Sunderland v Luton Town.
« Reply #16 on: Sun 13 Jan 2019 10:00 »
I haven't seen anything of the game so can't comment on the incident but since he joined the Select Group, I've always thought him to be a safe pair of hands.

But I certainly agree about the nonsense of sending a referee hundreds of miles to officiate in a fixture such as this, unless of course he might have had some other reason to visit the north east, which I suppose could be a possibility.  If not, though, it seems utter stupidity, especially for someone with his medical condition which I would have thought requires some sensitivity on the part of an employer who surely is required to exercise a duty of care.
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Re: Lee Probert Sunderland v Luton Town.
« Reply #17 on: Sun 13 Jan 2019 11:42 »

 Well in a way with second v third and a very partisan crowd I can see [ despite my ignorance as a fan only] why they appointed an SG1 to the game, however as I posted on Tuesday when the appts were verified [ as Monday didn't have a name to the game] it was surprising to me they hauled LP from Avon/Wiltshire or wherever he is based up to Sunderland when other SG1 s within a more reasonable travel time were available.

He's a Bristolian who has been based in Wiltshire since his late teens, as far as I am aware. From memory he actually did his ref training as a 14/15yr old on the Isle of Wight and moved to Wiltshire fairly soon after. I haven't seen any highlights of the game (I was lost in the wonders of photoshop for more hours than I should have been, hence why I am posting at 3.50am - oops!) but in general he is a decent, steady, safe pair of hands who seems to enjoy his games whatever level he is reffin at and a poor game from him (if he did have one) is a rarity as opposed to the norm. 

Perhaps the travelling distance affected him, he had a very serious back injury that required surgery and was at one stage very close to being forced to retire because of it.  The surgery was successful hence his comeback but he still has a bad back & always will. IMO he should not be travelling long distances because of it as I'm pretty sure it would aggravate it.  I suffer from a back injury, fairly similar to his, although mine is too damaged for surgery & I can only drive short distances due to it. Even travelling from Poole to Southampton, around 35 miles, is a struggle so I know what it must be like for him.

Surely if he has the extent of back issues you claim, then he isn't fit enough to referee a football match, let alone travel so far to do it.

Presumably he will have stayed overnight in a hotel?

He has also refereed games at Bolton, Newcastle (twice), Preston, Rochdale, Man United and Rotherham so far this season, so using his back problems as a potential reason for his alleged poor performance doesn't sit right with me, as it were.
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Re: Lee Probert Sunderland v Luton Town.
« Reply #18 on: Sun 13 Jan 2019 15:45 »

 Well in a way with second v third and a very partisan crowd I can see [ despite my ignorance as a fan only] why they appointed an SG1 to the game, however as I posted on Tuesday when the appts were verified [ as Monday didn't have a name to the game] it was surprising to me they hauled LP from Avon/Wiltshire or wherever he is based up to Sunderland when other SG1 s within a more reasonable travel time were available.

He's a Bristolian who has been based in Wiltshire since his late teens, as far as I am aware. From memory he actually did his ref training as a 14/15yr old on the Isle of Wight and moved to Wiltshire fairly soon after. I haven't seen any highlights of the game (I was lost in the wonders of photoshop for more hours than I should have been, hence why I am posting at 3.50am - oops!) but in general he is a decent, steady, safe pair of hands who seems to enjoy his games whatever level he is reffin at and a poor game from him (if he did have one) is a rarity as opposed to the norm. 

Perhaps the travelling distance affected him, he had a very serious back injury that required surgery and was at one stage very close to being forced to retire because of it.  The surgery was successful hence his comeback but he still has a bad back & always will. IMO he should not be travelling long distances because of it as I'm pretty sure it would aggravate it.  I suffer from a back injury, fairly similar to his, although mine is too damaged for surgery & I can only drive short distances due to it. Even travelling from Poole to Southampton, around 35 miles, is a struggle so I know what it must be like for him.

I hear what you're saying bmb but I certainly do not believe Lee's accepted back problems could be used as an excuse to send him just short distances to referee. Presumably Newcastle would be off limits as well on this basis. And has he not travelled abroad as part of a six-man team in European competitions? I can understand refs being eased back into things after serious injury, and we were pleased to see Lee at Gresty Road when he first returned from surgery, but that should be about it.

 

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Re: Lee Probert Sunderland v Luton Town.
« Reply #19 on: Sun 13 Jan 2019 16:14 »

 Well in a way with second v third and a very partisan crowd I can see [ despite my ignorance as a fan only] why they appointed an SG1 to the game, however as I posted on Tuesday when the appts were verified [ as Monday didn't have a name to the game] it was surprising to me they hauled LP from Avon/Wiltshire or wherever he is based up to Sunderland when other SG1 s within a more reasonable travel time were available.

He's a Bristolian who has been based in Wiltshire since his late teens, as far as I am aware. From memory he actually did his ref training as a 14/15yr old on the Isle of Wight and moved to Wiltshire fairly soon after. I haven't seen any highlights of the game (I was lost in the wonders of photoshop for more hours than I should have been, hence why I am posting at 3.50am - oops!) but in general he is a decent, steady, safe pair of hands who seems to enjoy his games whatever level he is reffin at and a poor game from him (if he did have one) is a rarity as opposed to the norm. 

Perhaps the travelling distance affected him, he had a very serious back injury that required surgery and was at one stage very close to being forced to retire because of it.  The surgery was successful hence his comeback but he still has a bad back & always will. IMO he should not be travelling long distances because of it as I'm pretty sure it would aggravate it.  I suffer from a back injury, fairly similar to his, although mine is too damaged for surgery & I can only drive short distances due to it. Even travelling from Poole to Southampton, around 35 miles, is a struggle so I know what it must be like for him.

Surely if he has the extent of back issues you claim, then he isn't fit enough to referee a football match, let alone travel so far to do it.

Presumably he will have stayed overnight in a hotel?

He has also refereed games at Bolton, Newcastle (twice), Preston, Rochdale, Man United and Rotherham so far this season, so using his back problems as a potential reason for his alleged poor performance doesn't sit right with me, as it were.

Well, I tend to agree with this. Referees obviously need to travel around (as many people in football do) - you would have very few international games played otherwise for one thing! Referees would otherwise be constantly officiating the same teams - and indeed people often complain if a referee is appointed to a team very close to where they live! I would have been disappointed if the likes of Mark Clattenburg, Michael Oliver and Howard Webb had never refereed at Reading simply because they didn't live near the area.

Obviously if someone has specific issues with travelling then they should be taken into account and I presume they would be. I don't think it's healthy to speculate though and, as TVOS suggests, Lee Probert has refereed in the North many times this season and will officiate at Blackburn on Tuesday too.

For what it's worth, I would generally consider Probert to be a safe pair of hands who seems to enjoy refereeing, whatever level it is. I've seen him do many Reading Football League games and he's always been very good or excellent. That said, I think his form has dipped (perhaps understandably) since his return from injury and he seems to have more off days than he once did, so perhaps this was one of them.

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Re: Lee Probert Sunderland v Luton Town.
« Reply #20 on: Sun 13 Jan 2019 17:19 »

 Well in a way with second v third and a very partisan crowd I can see [ despite my ignorance as a fan only] why they appointed an SG1 to the game, however as I posted on Tuesday when the appts were verified [ as Monday didn't have a name to the game] it was surprising to me they hauled LP from Avon/Wiltshire or wherever he is based up to Sunderland when other SG1 s within a more reasonable travel time were available.

He's a Bristolian who has been based in Wiltshire since his late teens, as far as I am aware. From memory he actually did his ref training as a 14/15yr old on the Isle of Wight and moved to Wiltshire fairly soon after. I haven't seen any highlights of the game (I was lost in the wonders of photoshop for more hours than I should have been, hence why I am posting at 3.50am - oops!) but in general he is a decent, steady, safe pair of hands who seems to enjoy his games whatever level he is reffin at and a poor game from him (if he did have one) is a rarity as opposed to the norm. 

Perhaps the travelling distance affected him, he had a very serious back injury that required surgery and was at one stage very close to being forced to retire because of it.  The surgery was successful hence his comeback but he still has a bad back & always will. IMO he should not be travelling long distances because of it as I'm pretty sure it would aggravate it.  I suffer from a back injury, fairly similar to his, although mine is too damaged for surgery & I can only drive short distances due to it. Even travelling from Poole to Southampton, around 35 miles, is a struggle so I know what it must be like for him.

I hear what you're saying bmb but I certainly do not believe Lee's accepted back problems could be used as an excuse to send him just short distances to referee. Presumably Newcastle would be off limits as well on this basis. And has he not travelled abroad as part of a six-man team in European competitions? I can understand refs being eased back into things after serious injury, and we were pleased to see Lee at Gresty Road when he first returned from surgery, but that should be about it.

 

I know on some long journeys they will fly as opposed to drive & LP lives in easy reach of both Southampton & Bournemouth airports. I would actually have assumed for this he would have flown Southampton to Newcastle unless no internal flights were available. Clatts would fly down to Southampton when he had games there or at Bournemouth as an example.

LP stepped down from FIFA early in part due to the difficulty with the travelling. I can't remember if he did any games abroad post surgery or not but a plane journey is far different to an 8 hour drive. I travel to Hungary regularly, as you all know, I can't do the drive to Luton any more, I have to book an airport car service but I'm fine sat on a plane for 2.5hrs. The difference being my right leg is not held in the exact same position like on the accelerator for x hours & I can shift position regularly unlike driving a car.

I certainly accept that I may well be over judging his difficulties on the basis he had virtually the same back injury I have (albeit far less advanced than mine hence why he was able to have surgery & I'm not!) so tend to judge it from how it is from the very much advanced stage! He certainly recovered well enough post surgery to be able to pass his fitness test comfortably & be able to run about on a football pitch for 90 mins, he'd not still be refereeing if he hadn't have.  I'm pretty sure a close eye will be kept on him medically & the SG refs regularly do the fitness test across the season (I think it is 3 or 4 times in total including the pre-season one in July) and he is obviously fit enough to keep passing them.
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« Reply #21 on: Sun 13 Jan 2019 18:42 »
Did Lee Probert have a bad day or not? It appears that the contentious decisions mentioned at the top of the thread have now either been justified or there is a sufficient debate to allow him the scope to have made the decision(s) he has?
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« Reply #22 on: Sun 13 Jan 2019 19:44 »
Did he have a bad day? He's certainly had better. I'll start off with the Chris Maguire sending off. He didn't 'stamp' on the player but could have made a bit more of an effort to avoid treading on him so I had no problem with him being red carded but the Luton player who was sent off had been at it all game, constantly leading with his elbow so he should have been punished much earlier. There was actually a very similar incident minutes after he'd gone off but Lee Probert issued a yellow card. In my opinion he bottled it and i know he's got a laid back style but yesterday it did give an impression of arrogance.

The penalty award seemed very debatable and there was one other absolutely mystifying decision after a Luton corner bounced on the top of the bar and out of play for what we expected to be a goal kick. A corner was awarded and this just seemed to fall in line with what was a very mixed performance. As I said earlier Lee Probert has certainly had better days than this and none of us can say we perform at 100% all of the time but what I can say is that any sympathy I had for him when he had to caution the Leicester player for taking his shirt off in the match following their chairman's unfortunate accident totally disappeared yesterday.
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« Reply #23 on: Sun 13 Jan 2019 20:41 »
I've always found Mr Probert to have an arrogance and swagger on any game I have watched him in.

Never met the guy. Maybe it's his referee persona?

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« Reply #24 on: Mon 14 Jan 2019 17:16 »
Out of the 3 major decisions shown on the highlights 1 was nailed on, 1 couldnt be seen and 1 seemed unwarranted.
The Sunderland red card, described perfectly above as hopscotch on his chest, was definitely a red.
The Luton red card certainly was claimed by Sunderland players so I will trust that Probert had the angle to see and dismissed for violent conduct.
To me the most contentious issue is the penalty, just did not look like it. The player involved never appealed, no one near the incident reacted. Just not sure what Lee has seen

The penalty decision was debatable at best but he missed a clear foul on Maguire in the buildup
https://www.safc.com/news/team-news/2019/january/luton-town/highlights-v--luton-town About 3:40.

He was terribly inconsistent with his decisions throughout the game.

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« Reply #25 on: Mon 14 Jan 2019 17:35 »
I've always found Mr Probert to have an arrogance and swagger on any game I have watched him in.

Never met the guy. Maybe it's his referee persona?

I've probably met him 20-30 times over the years, as he's fairly local he does a few of our pre-season friendlies. He's always been pretty chatty and pleasant with myself & bmb jr. He was referee when bmb jr was mascot one time, jr was about 3 or 4 & having overheard him saying he wanted to go and see the referees dressing room (and being told no it was off limits) on their little pre-match tour, took hold of jr & took him into there to "meet the team". Jr came out full of smiles and munching on a bar of chocolate! I have a great photo somewhere of jr leaving the tunnel with him at that match, it turned out to be his last game on the FL before his promotion to the SG. I do know others who have described him as arrogant but if he does have that side to him, it's not one I have personally seen.
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« Reply #26 on: Mon 14 Jan 2019 19:38 »
Out of the 3 major decisions shown on the highlights 1 was nailed on, 1 couldnt be seen and 1 seemed unwarranted.
The Sunderland red card, described perfectly above as hopscotch on his chest, was definitely a red.
The Luton red card certainly was claimed by Sunderland players so I will trust that Probert had the angle to see and dismissed for violent conduct.
To me the most contentious issue is the penalty, just did not look like it. The player involved never appealed, no one near the incident reacted. Just not sure what Lee has seen

The penalty decision was debatable at best but he missed a clear foul on Maguire in the buildup
https://www.safc.com/news/team-news/2019/january/luton-town/highlights-v--luton-town About 3:40.

He was terribly inconsistent with his decisions throughout the game.


The penalty was even more debatable due to the fact he gave it for a foul and the Luton players were actually appealing for a hand ball.
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« Reply #27 on: Tue 15 Jan 2019 18:35 »
…………………....and the red card given to Sunderland player Chris Maguire has been overturned.
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« Reply #28 on: Wed 16 Jan 2019 02:00 »
I've always found Mr Probert to have an arrogance and swagger on any game I have watched him in.

Never met the guy. Maybe it's his referee persona?

I've probably met him 20-30 times over the years, as he's fairly local he does a few of our pre-season friendlies. He's always been pretty chatty and pleasant with myself & bmb jr. He was referee when bmb jr was mascot one time, jr was about 3 or 4 & having overheard him saying he wanted to go and see the referees dressing room (and being told no it was off limits) on their little pre-match tour, took hold of jr & took him into there to "meet the team". Jr came out full of smiles and munching on a bar of chocolate! I have a great photo somewhere of jr leaving the tunnel with him at that match, it turned out to be his last game on the FL before his promotion to the SG. I do know others who have described him as arrogant but if he does have that side to him, it's not one I have personally seen.

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« Reply #29 on: Wed 16 Jan 2019 07:33 »
…………………....and the red card given to Sunderland player Chris Maguire has been overturned.
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Surprising.