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Author Topic: Lee Probert Sunderland v Luton Town.  (Read 2536 times)

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Lee Probert Sunderland v Luton Town.
« on: Sat 12 Jan 2019 19:30 »
 A perfectly good game of football played by two committed teams who tried to entertain a 37000 crowd which was spoiled by a totally incompetent performance from an experienced referee who spent the whole ninety plus minutes on a one man mission to show everyone that League One was far beneath his level.
 As a Sunderland fan, the RC given to the Luton player was totally unjustified and fans of both sides are tonight searching for the address to send postcards guessing at his decisions.

 For goodness sake please don't let him referee another Football League fixture and keep him in the Premier League as far away as possible from attempting and succeeding in ruining a good game of football between two honest teams.
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Lee probert spent a vast amount of time on the football league returning from injury , his performances were excellent and he is the last referee who thinks these matches are beneath him.  Lee probert is welcome at home park anytime .
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Re: Lee Probert Sunderland v Luton Town.
« Reply #2 on: Sat 12 Jan 2019 22:35 »
The only edit was to your title .
Sorry not acceptable.

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Re: Lee Probert Sunderland v Luton Town.
« Reply #3 on: Sat 12 Jan 2019 22:44 »
The only edit was to your title .
Sorry not acceptable.

 OK fair enough with the title.On reflection it wasn't probably the wisest of titles and I consider myself suitably rebuked but as far as his performance today goes then 37791 people cannot all be wrong.

 His performance today for BOTH sides was totally unacceptable for someone with his experience, and as a Sunderland fan I hope Luton appeal the red card given to their player and it is overturned.

 We can all have a bad day at the office, but LP really does need to take a long and hard look at his performance today.

 

 
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Re: Lee Probert Sunderland v Luton Town.
« Reply #4 on: Sat 12 Jan 2019 22:44 »
1) If nothing happened for the Luton red card then why did one of your players go sprinting towards the referee as soon as both players ended up on the floor and another signal an elbow motion?

2) Is there any referee you do like?
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Re: Lee Probert Sunderland v Luton Town.
« Reply #5 on: Sat 12 Jan 2019 22:56 »
 Yes I love Geoff Eltringham and David Webb as well as Michael, Oliver, Lee Probert and Mike Dean, the latter two at least having the courage to stand in front of a TV camera at games involving my side when explaining contentious decisions.

 Please can you elaborate on refs I have constantly criticised over the time I have been on this forum ? I only post on an occasional basis.

 I take it you don't wish to make further comment how LP sent off Chris Maguire for the same reasons you accuse my player of doing.

 Double standards or selective sight ? You choose.
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Re: Lee Probert Sunderland v Luton Town.
« Reply #6 on: Sat 12 Jan 2019 23:05 »
1) If nothing happened for the Luton red card then why did one of your players go sprinting towards the referee as soon as both players ended up on the floor and another signal an elbow motion?

2) Is there any referee you do like?

 Well I have trawled through the thirty posts I have made AFAref and have made both good and negative comments.I have mentioned about good NL refs I have seen this season, but if you can prove otherwise that I haven't made any positive contribution and comment at all then please feel free to respond.

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Re: Lee Probert Sunderland v Luton Town.
« Reply #7 on: Sat 12 Jan 2019 23:06 »
"As a Sunderland fan, the RC given to the Luton player was totally unjustified". "I hope Luton appeal the red card given to their player and it is overturned"

I merely state that as the players fall to the ground, a Sunderland player sprints straight to the referee and another motions a swinging arm. I would therefore suggest that Mr Probert has seen said incident and sent said Luton player from the Field Of Play for Violent Conduct.

I think it's quite clear that the Sunderland player that was playing hopscotch on the Luton players chest, in a clear sight of vision of Mr Probert, was always going to get a red card. If you think that wasn't a red card then wow.


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Re: Lee Probert Sunderland v Luton Town.
« Reply #8 on: Sat 12 Jan 2019 23:15 »
"As a Sunderland fan, the RC given to the Luton player was totally unjustified". "I hope Luton appeal the red card given to their player and it is overturned"

I merely state that as the players fall to the ground, a Sunderland player sprints straight to the referee and another motions a swinging arm. I would therefore suggest that Mr Probert has seen said incident and sent said Luton player from the Field Of Play for Violent Conduct.

I think it's quite clear that the Sunderland player that was playing hopscotch on the Luton players chest, in a clear sight of vision of Mr Probert, was always going to get a red card. If you think that wasn't a red card then wow.

 Perhaps I didn't make it clear enough.Seeing it back an hour or so ago then yes I agree it was a red [ although my manager says we will appeal], however the incident took place, the melee ended and the player was back into position to defend the Luton free kick.The referee then spoke to several Luton players, booking one of them  and THEN called Maguire back and issued the RC.How bad does that look ? What takes precedence the award of the RC or the YC.You are a ref I am not.

 I am only asking a polite question.

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Re: Lee Probert Sunderland v Luton Town.
« Reply #9 on: Sat 12 Jan 2019 23:20 »
I agree, that if this was the instance (highlights didn't show), the Red Card should be awarded first in an ideal world.

However having been in the position where I knew exactly the player I was sending off, but couldn't see the number of a player I was going to caution, I have cautioned first and then sent the other player off (and on more than one occasion too!)
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Re: Lee Probert Sunderland v Luton Town.
« Reply #10 on: Sat 12 Jan 2019 23:33 »
I agree, that if this was the instance (highlights didn't show), the Red Card should be awarded first in an ideal world.

However having been in the position where I knew exactly the player I was sending off, but couldn't see the number of a player I was going to caution, I have cautioned first and then sent the other player off (and on more than one occasion too!)

 Fair comment.

  Much respect to you for the clarity.
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Re: Lee Probert Sunderland v Luton Town.
« Reply #11 on: Sat 12 Jan 2019 23:55 »
I've taken a look at the highlights. It's not that easy to see the Luton red card incident clearly from them, though Mr Probert had his red card out quickly, even though some distance from the incident and appeared confident in his decision. Don't think there can be much argument over the RC for Maguire at the end.

It's not possible to assess Mr Probert's overall performance on a couple of minutes, but it's debatable whether this fixture needed a SG1 official in charge. If it did, might have been better to assign a referee who didn't have to travel half the country to get to it. 
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Re: Lee Probert Sunderland v Luton Town.
« Reply #12 on: Sun 13 Jan 2019 00:05 »
I've taken a look at the highlights. It's not that easy to see the Luton red card incident clearly from them, though Mr Probert had his red card out quickly, even though some distance from the incident and appeared confident in his decision. Don't think there can be much argument over the RC for Maguire at the end.

It's not possible to assess Mr Probert's overall performance on a couple of minutes, but it's debatable whether this fixture needed a SG1 official in charge. If it did, might have been better to assign a referee who didn't have to travel half the country to get to it.

 Well in a way with second v third and a very partisan crowd I can see [ despite my ignorance as a fan only] why they appointed an SG1 to the game, however as I posted on Tuesday when the appts were verified [ as Monday didn't have a name to the game] it was surprising to me they hauled LP from Avon/Wiltshire or wherever he is based up to Sunderland when other SG1 s within a more reasonable travel time were available.

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Re: Lee Probert Sunderland v Luton Town.
« Reply #13 on: Sun 13 Jan 2019 03:52 »

 Well in a way with second v third and a very partisan crowd I can see [ despite my ignorance as a fan only] why they appointed an SG1 to the game, however as I posted on Tuesday when the appts were verified [ as Monday didn't have a name to the game] it was surprising to me they hauled LP from Avon/Wiltshire or wherever he is based up to Sunderland when other SG1 s within a more reasonable travel time were available.

He's a Bristolian who has been based in Wiltshire since his late teens, as far as I am aware. From memory he actually did his ref training as a 14/15yr old on the Isle of Wight and moved to Wiltshire fairly soon after. I haven't seen any highlights of the game (I was lost in the wonders of photoshop for more hours than I should have been, hence why I am posting at 3.50am - oops!) but in general he is a decent, steady, safe pair of hands who seems to enjoy his games whatever level he is reffin at and a poor game from him (if he did have one) is a rarity as opposed to the norm. 

Perhaps the travelling distance affected him, he had a very serious back injury that required surgery and was at one stage very close to being forced to retire because of it.  The surgery was successful hence his comeback but he still has a bad back & always will. IMO he should not be travelling long distances because of it as I'm pretty sure it would aggravate it.  I suffer from a back injury, fairly similar to his, although mine is too damaged for surgery & I can only drive short distances due to it. Even travelling from Poole to Southampton, around 35 miles, is a struggle so I know what it must be like for him.
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Re: Lee Probert Sunderland v Luton Town.
« Reply #14 on: Sun 13 Jan 2019 09:19 »
Out of the 3 major decisions shown on the highlights 1 was nailed on, 1 couldnt be seen and 1 seemed unwarranted.
The Sunderland red card, described perfectly above as hopscotch on his chest, was definitely a red.
The Luton red card certainly was claimed by Sunderland players so I will trust that Probert had the angle to see and dismissed for violent conduct.
To me the most contentious issue is the penalty, just did not look like it. The player involved never appealed, no one near the incident reacted. Just not sure what Lee has seen