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Lee Mason - Man U v AFCB
« on: Sun 30 Dec 2018 18:47 »
I didn't think I would ever see a performance worse than AFCB's defending, then up pops Lee Mason...

Kung fu kick by Bailey on Daniels - clear red & pen - not given for a still see here: https://twitter.com/DavidForde92/status/1079437140516356098

Was still 3-1 at that point & going 3-2 would have offered a glimmer of hope & a chance to steal a point (not taking into account our typical suicidal defending obviously)

Instead of 3-2 it becomes 4-1 from an offside goal  ::) For still of that one see here: https://twitter.com/SkyBlueCherries/status/1079438051250786304

Not sure I agree with a lot of our fans that Young should have gone earlier in the game, I felt he slipped & it would have been a harsh red.

These decisions are not why we lost, see the 1st goal and the amazing(!) defending to see exactly why we lost! That and Man U were simply better than us in every single position - it was men v boys. Amazing the difference a manager can make to a team, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer looks to be a great choice so far at least! Pogba was a whole new player today.

Lee Mason even less fit for purpose than our defence!
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Re: Lee Mason - Man U v AFCB
« Reply #1 on: Sun 30 Dec 2018 19:09 »
I was staggered at the dross on offer by Mason this afternoon. As Gayle says, the Kung fu kick on Daniels should have been a penalty and a red card.

When Mason blew for the foul by Bailly, I had a gut instinct that he would go red for some odd reason.

We had a discussion a while back regarding journeyman officials, I think Mason definitely falls into this category, however what value he adds to SG1 with performances like this is puzzling.
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Re: Lee Mason - Man U v AFCB
« Reply #2 on: Sun 30 Dec 2018 19:16 »
To be fair to Mason, he only caught him with 6 of his tens studs.  :o :o :o
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Re: Lee Mason - Man U v AFCB
« Reply #3 on: Sun 30 Dec 2018 19:49 »
Whilst only being a foot off the floor, play on (😋)
Mason has been dross for years, has occassional good game followed by poor performances. Money for old rope
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Re: Lee Mason - Man U v AFCB
« Reply #4 on: Sun 30 Dec 2018 21:15 »
Don’t think the assistants were good - a lot of iffy offside decisions
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Re: Lee Mason - Man U v AFCB
« Reply #5 on: Mon 31 Dec 2018 12:30 »
Masons performances = 💩and have done for years. Why  PGMOL won’t ditch him is beyond me

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Re: Lee Mason - Man U v AFCB
« Reply #6 on: Mon 31 Dec 2018 14:39 »
There really is too much dross in SG1, We Need To Move The Likes Of Mason and East Aside, And Bring In Andy Madley and Rob jones.

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Re: Lee Mason - Man U v AFCB
« Reply #7 on: Mon 31 Dec 2018 14:59 »
Unfortunately if Mason and East continue to achieve the "objectives" they are set then short of them doing something illegal (i was going to say criminal but then ive seen Mason referee) there is little that can be done. More assessments of fitness, health and mental toughness are put in as they get older to allow monitoring. It would seem we have reached a plateau if ability with a lot of the referees and I totally agree with Nemesis that SG2 does not seem to have improved the quality of the refereeing.

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Re: Lee Mason - Man U v AFCB
« Reply #8 on: Mon 31 Dec 2018 16:04 »
Catching up with MOTD2 and seeing the incidents I think yellow for Young is correct, was reckless but he did slip. Red for Bailly was spot on.
How the high foot was not picked up is beyond me. Lukaku definitely offside. Bit of pressure on Marc Perry as his next game is at Bournemouth!
Off topic am I the only one who thought Paul Tierney missed 2 penalties at St Marys?

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Re: Lee Mason - Man U v AFCB
« Reply #9 on: Mon 31 Dec 2018 16:32 »
Unfortunately if you take Jones and Madley out of SG2 there is even more dross in there as well.

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Re: Lee Mason - Man U v AFCB
« Reply #10 on: Mon 31 Dec 2018 17:10 »
"Off topic am I the only one who thought Paul Tierney missed 2 penalties at St Marys?"

Yes, if you accept the "Oliver threshold" for Liverpool; no, if you accept the "Mason threshold" for Bournemouth.
Equally, if you accept the "Dean threshold" for a red card then 3 red cards missed also.
On the other hand you could simply accept that refereeing decisions are at best arbitrary, in which case, no to all.
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Re: Lee Mason - Man U v AFCB
« Reply #11 on: Mon 31 Dec 2018 17:12 »
Unfortunately if Mason and East continue to achieve the "objectives" they are set then short of them doing something illegal (i was going to say criminal but then ive seen Mason referee) there is little that can be done. More assessments of fitness, health and mental toughness are put in as they get older to allow monitoring. It would seem we have reached a plateau if ability with a lot of the referees and I totally agree with Nemesis that SG2 does not seem to have improved the quality of the refereeing.

I also think it has made it more difficult to quietly sideline anyone underperforming for a spell, in terms of that it was easier to justify SG officials in the Championship for a prolonged period before it got it's own SG. SG1 are all contracted for all 4 divisions & SG2 for the lower 3 as we all know but SG2 refs will now be prioritised for Championship games even ahead of SG1.

I think though the single biggest mistake was to offer open ended contracts, everywhere else they are fixed term with the option to continue if certain criteria are met. I'm aware of contract & employment law but there must be some degree of requirements that have to be met contractually for the contracts to continue. We never seem to remove anyone who consistently underperforms. I'm not talking about someone who maybe has 3/4 really poor games across a season, that can happen to all of us, but those where a poor performance is the standard with 1 or more KMI errors in every game and the occasional above 7.9 performance is the actual shocker, there must be something that can be done. Do we not have a minimum average merit mark that must be met?

Hungary, as the example I know best, the contracts are for 3 years at a time until you reach age 43, then it's 2 years and then 1 year at age 44. After 45 you only get a part time half season by half season contract if you pass the fitness test, other medical exams and your merit marks are good enough. The latter being a new thing as this was the first year of no longer enforcing retirement at 45. If during your contract though your merit marks and/or fitness falls below that of expected & remain so over a certain length of time, they lose their contract, no ifs & buts. We had 1 lose his contract just over 1 year into it, earlier this season due to his merit marks being consistently poor & his man management skills being completely non existent. After 1 particularly poor performance he failed to mention in his report a mass brawl at the end of the game between both sets of players & benches, 4th official & 1 AAR were both pushed (the latter at least twice) during the melee along with a manager pushed to the ground & nada! The 5 min clip was on every news channel & all over the sports media but the disciplinary committee were left red faced as he failed to mention it, so they were therefore unable to deal with it! He lost his contract within days & the president of the Federation ordered an inquiry into the melee on the video evidence allowing the disciplinary committee to act.  He'd probably have been given the Manchester derby here!!
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Re: Lee Mason - Man U v AFCB
« Reply #12 on: Mon 31 Dec 2018 17:34 »
The problem with marks is the objectivity and justifications needed. Poor mark = improvement plan in place = greater monitoring which would happen in my job. The difference is I am judged on facts (number of sales, number of upgrades etc) not an assessor's opinion
They really do need to look at contract length especially with SG2 refs on some forn of employment contract too

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Re: Lee Mason - Man U v AFCB
« Reply #13 on: Mon 31 Dec 2018 20:07 »
The problem with marks is the objectivity and justifications needed. Poor mark = improvement plan in place = greater monitoring which would happen in my job. The difference is I am judged on facts (number of sales, number of upgrades etc) not an assessor's opinion


Can't disagree with that re the assessor. There is also personalities coming into play, if an assessor doesn't like a particular ref or their style (s)he may well be harsher & of course the opposite if (s)he likes them. We have a 2 tier system with assessing in Hungary in the NB1, there is the assistant assessor, who provides the match day assessment & the match videos are then watched by a senior assessor as well. Committee members attend games each week, in addition to the match day assessor, you never quite know where they will turn up. Hopefully this is to prevent unfair/bias marking either up or down but again it does rely on opinion & a very honest unbiased assessing system. 

The ref who got canned averaged 7.8 last season - both halves of it, having watched him too many times during the autumn season, I'd say he was averaging similar or even lower! It certainly wasn't a snap decision to can him, I think that particular match was just the icing on the cake so to speak. I don't know if any measures were put in place for an improvement plan but if they were, they didn't work! I know one of the refs was paired up with a more senior ref last spring season, in 12-15 out of 18 games they were on the same team either as ref or AAR. That ref was a bit of a calamity waiting to happen but had it in him to be so much better - he's top 3 in the merit table for the autumn season & it's like seeing a whole different referee out there. His confidence has soared, his decision making is better & his positioning, which was what really let him down before, has been excellent. He was never in the right position before so missed so much or called things wrong because he had a poor angle etc. That is the one and only scenario that I know about that a proactive improvement plan has been implemented & it worked so yes agree that should always been a first measure. I'm still raving about an advantage he played back on matchday 2 or 3, just sublime!

When they brought in the SG2 it was, imo, the perfect time to revamp the contracts in terms of length etc and they didn't take advantage of that.
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