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Re: L MASON - WBA v Forest
« Reply #15 on: Thu 14 Feb 2019 17:57 »
It would appear to have been two contentious nights in the Championship:

Tuesday - Lee Mason and Tony Harrington

Last night - Andy Woolmer, Sheffield United v Boro - Tony Pulis claimed that Stearman fouled Fry when heading the winning goal for United. Pulis also pointed out that Andy had only refereed 8 Championship games so far this season and questioned why he was given this crucial match at the top of the Championship.
Geoff Eltringham, Preston v Norwich, Farke called the home side's 24th minute penalty a 'joke' after Buendia was adjudged to have tripped Fisher.

All comments in The Times. I've not seen highlights yet so cannot comment further.

I've now had the opportunity to view the various incidents:

Mason - wrong to be conned by Gayle and wrong not to award Forest a penalty when the forward was pulled back
Harrington - still not sure but let's say he was in a better position to judge on the Bristol City penalty than I was watching it on Quest
Woolmer - the forward Stearman who scored the winner for Sheffield United was all arms and legs over the defender Fry (think Crouch in his heyday), and whilst I've seen goals given in similar situations, I agree with Pulis that Andy was wrong in this instance to allow the goal
Eltringham - Buendia shoved Fisher in the back rather than trip him. Looked a penalty to me if a tad soft.   

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Re: L MASON - WBA v Forest
« Reply #16 on: Thu 14 Feb 2019 19:34 »
We continue to mention about the dross in SG2, however the dross from SG1 that comes into the championship doesn’t help matters.

Mason has been dreadful again tonight, how on earth Lolley didn’t get a foul after being hauled over by Barry, and even worse was the dive by Gayle which Mason gave as a penalty. He has most certainly guessed that decision as his positioning was terrible.

Then Lolley again had his shirt pulled in the box by Gibbs which was a nailed on penalty not awarded.

Absolute trash.
Gayle has been charged by the FA for 'successful deception of a match official' which will probably lead to a two match ban.  That will be no consolation to Forest who were deprived of two points by Gayle's cheating and of course Mason's failure to spot and deal with it, nor indeed to other clubs seeking promotion at the end of the season who may be disadvantaged by WBA's extra two points gained by the deception.  Perhaps a points deduction might be more appropriate.

Thought it was a draw but I get the general point. Retrospectively chalking off the goal would be good .......but, I guess, impractical.

Indeed, you are of course correct.  Forgive me for getting slightly carried away but as a Villa supporter (even if from the days when they had a decent team), the notion of local rivals getting away with something dodgy has always led me to exaggerate somewhat!
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Re: L MASON - WBA v Forest
« Reply #17 on: Fri 15 Feb 2019 08:57 »
We continue to mention about the dross in SG2, however the dross from SG1 that comes into the championship doesn’t help matters.

Mason has been dreadful again tonight, how on earth Lolley didn’t get a foul after being hauled over by Barry, and even worse was the dive by Gayle which Mason gave as a penalty. He has most certainly guessed that decision as his positioning was terrible.

Then Lolley again had his shirt pulled in the box by Gibbs which was a nailed on penalty not awarded.

Absolute trash.
Gayle has been charged by the FA for 'successful deception of a match official' which will probably lead to a two match ban.  That will be no consolation to Forest who were deprived of two points by Gayle's cheating and of course Mason's failure to spot and deal with it, nor indeed to other clubs seeking promotion at the end of the season who may be disadvantaged by WBA's extra two points gained by the deception.  Perhaps a points deduction might be more appropriate.

Gayle banned for two matches after accepting a charge for diving. In a statement, WBA said that Gayle was "attempting to avoid anticipated challenges" but had "regrettably concluded any appeal would be fruitless". 

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Re: L MASON - WBA v Forest
« Reply #18 on: Fri 15 Feb 2019 09:18 »
We continue to mention about the dross in SG2, however the dross from SG1 that comes into the championship doesn’t help matters.

Mason has been dreadful again tonight, how on earth Lolley didn’t get a foul after being hauled over by Barry, and even worse was the dive by Gayle which Mason gave as a penalty. He has most certainly guessed that decision as his positioning was terrible.

Then Lolley again had his shirt pulled in the box by Gibbs which was a nailed on penalty not awarded.

Absolute trash.
Gayle has been charged by the FA for 'successful deception of a match official' which will probably lead to a two match ban.  That will be no consolation to Forest who were deprived of two points by Gayle's cheating and of course Mason's failure to spot and deal with it, nor indeed to other clubs seeking promotion at the end of the season who may be disadvantaged by WBA's extra two points gained by the deception.  Perhaps a points deduction might be more appropriate.

Gayle banned for two matches after accepting a charge for diving. In a statement, WBA said that Gayle was "attempting to avoid anticipated challenges" but had "regrettably concluded any appeal would be fruitless".
It's a pity that he didn't conclude that appealing for a penalty would be equally fruitless after the anticipated challenges didn't materialise.  He cheated and now he is, with the connivance of West Bromwich Albion, dissembling.
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Re: L MASON - WBA v Forest
« Reply #19 on: Fri 15 Feb 2019 10:51 »
We continue to mention about the dross in SG2, however the dross from SG1 that comes into the championship doesn’t help matters.

Mason has been dreadful again tonight, how on earth Lolley didn’t get a foul after being hauled over by Barry, and even worse was the dive by Gayle which Mason gave as a penalty. He has most certainly guessed that decision as his positioning was terrible.

Then Lolley again had his shirt pulled in the box by Gibbs which was a nailed on penalty not awarded.

Absolute trash.
Gayle has been charged by the FA for 'successful deception of a match official' which will probably lead to a two match ban.  That will be no consolation to Forest who were deprived of two points by Gayle's cheating and of course Mason's failure to spot and deal with it, nor indeed to other clubs seeking promotion at the end of the season who may be disadvantaged by WBA's extra two points gained by the deception.  Perhaps a points deduction might be more appropriate.

Gayle banned for two matches after accepting a charge for diving. In a statement, WBA said that Gayle was "attempting to avoid anticipated challenges" but had "regrettably concluded any appeal would be fruitless".
It's a pity that he didn't conclude that appealing for a penalty would be equally fruitless after the anticipated challenges didn't materialise.  He cheated and now he is, with the connivance of West Bromwich Albion, dissembling.

  ..... and what a wrong conclusion that would have been. Thanks to the staggering, but unsurprising, incompetence of Lee Mason.

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Re: L MASON - WBA v Forest
« Reply #20 on: Fri 15 Feb 2019 20:17 »
We continue to mention about the dross in SG2, however the dross from SG1 that comes into the championship doesn’t help matters.

Mason has been dreadful again tonight, how on earth Lolley didn’t get a foul after being hauled over by Barry, and even worse was the dive by Gayle which Mason gave as a penalty. He has most certainly guessed that decision as his positioning was terrible.

Then Lolley again had his shirt pulled in the box by Gibbs which was a nailed on penalty not awarded.

Absolute trash.
Gayle has been charged by the FA for 'successful deception of a match official' which will probably lead to a two match ban.  That will be no consolation to Forest who were deprived of two points by Gayle's cheating and of course Mason's failure to spot and deal with it, nor indeed to other clubs seeking promotion at the end of the season who may be disadvantaged by WBA's extra two points gained by the deception.  Perhaps a points deduction might be more appropriate.

Gayle banned for two matches after accepting a charge for diving. In a statement, WBA said that Gayle was "attempting to avoid anticipated challenges" but had "regrettably concluded any appeal would be fruitless".
It's a pity that he didn't conclude that appealing for a penalty would be equally fruitless after the anticipated challenges didn't materialise.  He cheated and now he is, with the connivance of West Bromwich Albion, dissembling.

  ..... and what a wrong conclusion that would have been. Thanks to the staggering, but unsurprising, incompetence of Lee Mason.

The puzzling enigma that is Mason and his SG1 status and I guess the continuing rubbish that Woolmer seems to be involved with in the last few weeks as reported by others on this forum....
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Re: L MASON - WBA v Forest
« Reply #21 on: Sat 16 Feb 2019 21:45 »
Haven't seen the match action yet, but it sounds like Mr Mason may have erred in failing to showa red card to Mansfield's Ben Turner for a last man foul in the Notts derby.

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Re: L MASON - WBA v Forest
« Reply #22 on: Sat 16 Feb 2019 21:55 »
Haven't seen the match action yet, but it sounds like Mr Mason may have erred in failing to showa red card to Mansfield's Ben Turner for a last man foul in the Notts derby.

The law on DOGSO has changed so they're not always a red.  I doubt pundits & the media are aware of that yet & time they are the Laws will have changed again! Only saying that because if you are going purely on media talk then what they consider a ref error and what the LOTG consider a ref error are often poles apart! Not seen it either but I tend to take no notice of managers/pundits & press views!
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Re: L MASON - WBA v Forest
« Reply #23 on: Sun 17 Feb 2019 14:23 »
The bit of footage I've managed to see wasn't clear enough to be certain whether it ought to have been a red card.
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Re: L MASON - WBA v Forest
« Reply #24 on: Sun 17 Feb 2019 15:57 »
Well good news for mason is he has been demoted further into league 2 this weekend! 😉
Whilst not a great admirer of Lee Mason, I have to say that his appointment to next Saturday's game had been published prior to Tuesday's match at The Hawthorns; hardly a 'demotion' just PGMOL fulfilling their obligation to provide SG1 officials to undertake matches in the Championship and EFL, as they do each matchday.
Typical Pulis made no mention of the two very good penalty shouts . Sheffield should have been awarded at least one of them for blatant fouls in the box . especially when the attacker was wrestled to the floor. Boro were second best as was Pulis though the referee was definately not the job

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Re: L MASON - WBA v Forest
« Reply #25 on: Sun 17 Feb 2019 16:34 »
We continue to mention about the dross in SG2, however the dross from SG1 that comes into the championship doesn’t help matters.

Mason has been dreadful again tonight, how on earth Lolley didn’t get a foul after being hauled over by Barry, and even worse was the dive by Gayle which Mason gave as a penalty. He has most certainly guessed that decision as his positioning was terrible.

Then Lolley again had his shirt pulled in the box by Gibbs which was a nailed on penalty not awarded.

Absolute trash.
Gayle has been charged by the FA for 'successful deception of a match official' which will probably lead to a two match ban.  That will be no consolation to Forest who were deprived of two points by Gayle's cheating and of course Mason's failure to spot and deal with it, nor indeed to other clubs seeking promotion at the end of the season who may be disadvantaged by WBA's extra two points gained by the deception.  Perhaps a points deduction might be more appropriate.

Thought it was a draw but I get the general point. Retrospectively chalking off the goal would be good .......but, I guess, impractical.
I think the dive by Gayle was so blatant that any half-decent referee should have spotted it.  It was so bad, Gayle may as well have worn a rubber cap and goggles!

My solution would also be a points deduction as well as a suspension for the player.  So in this case WBA gained an extra point for a draw instead of a defeat, so should be deducted two points (1+1).  Had the penalty been a winner, the deduction would be 3 (2+1).  If the result was unaffected then a single point would be deducted. 


This may sound rather draconian, but sure as hell it would cure the problem overnight.  Will anyone ever have the guts to implement something like this?  Not a chance!
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Re: L MASON - WBA v Forest
« Reply #26 on: Sun 17 Feb 2019 16:41 »
I think the dive by Gayle was so blatant that any half-decent referee should have spotted it.  It was so bad, Gayle may as well have worn a rubber cap and goggles!

My solution would also be a points deduction as well as a suspension for the player.  So in this case WBA gained an extra point for a draw instead of a defeat, so should be deducted two points (1+1).  Had the penalty been a winner, the deduction would be 3 (2+1).  If the result was unaffected then a single point would be deducted. 


This may sound rather draconian, but sure as hell it would cure the problem overnight.  Will anyone ever have the guts to implement something like this?  Not a chance!

Love this idea! Sadly shareholders would never allow any FA to dare try it!

In terms of the player suspension, I'd go for 3 matches for 1st offence and double it for any further stupidity! 6 matches, then 12, then 24!

I think it would only take at most 6 bans before you saw diving disappear overnight as the consequences would make it very unworthwhile!
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