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From the Guardian:

I think what happened was as follows. I hope this clears it up for you:

1. Lee Mason gives the free-kick. Everyone gets ready for the free-kick.
2. Lee Mason blows his whistle. Lewis Dunk takes the free-kick.
3. Lee Mason forgets he blew his whistle.
4. Lee Mason blows his whistle to tell Brighton that they can forget about this shot counting because he hadn’t blown his whistle yet.
5. The shot goes in.
6. Lee Mason has disallowed the goal, because he hadn’t blown his whistle before the free-kick was taken.
7. Lee Mason is reminded that he blew his whistle before the free-kick was taken, and forgets that he blew his whistle because he hadn’t blown his whistle.
8. Lee Mason allows the goal.
9. Lee Mason is reminded that he blew his whistle because he hadn’t blown the whistle that he had blown.
10. Lee Mason disallows the goal.

The end.
Lee Mason was refereeing to the Vicky Pollard school of refereeing science when asked if it was a goal "Yeh,but no,but yeh,but no ,but yeh,but no.............."

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Re: L MASON - West Brom v Brighton
« Reply #46 on: Sat 27 Feb 2021 19:36 »
What a mess!

Whilst it's true that attacking free-kicks are often allowed to be taken quickly, this didn't seem the sort of occasion where it would be allowed (given everyone was expecting it on the whistle and the goalkeeper was clearly still lining up the wall.)

I would not normally expect a Premier League referee to blow for the free-kick to be taken in that precise circumstance

Whether Mason blew for it to be taken and then realised the goalkeeper's position or blew for something else other than the restart, who knows - I'm not sure Mason knew himself!

Given Mason clearly wasn't happy and blew the whistle a few more times, I don't know why he was then talked into allowing the goal. It was already a bit chaotic but if he'd taken control and said 'sorry for the confusion lads, I wasn't blowing for the restart' then he'd at least have regained some authority (and within the spirit - and as it turned out laws - it felt reasonable for the goal to be disallowed.)

Given the referee awarded the goal, if VAR's verdict was the second whistle blew before the ball crossed the line, I'm not sure what the rationale was for restarting with the free-kick again?

Surely common sense would say go back to the free kick. One cannot expect Brighton to be punished twice in this situation
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Re: L MASON - West Brom v Brighton
« Reply #47 on: Sat 27 Feb 2021 19:41 »
In Dunk’s post match interview:

“I said to the ref “Can I take it?” - he said “Yes”.  I took it and scored”

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Re: L MASON - West Brom v Brighton
« Reply #48 on: Sat 27 Feb 2021 19:58 »
Watching it live on tv i thought mason gave the free kick, said to the players incl the keeper wait for the whistle.
Having correctly distanced the wall he moved to a side, not a very good position and whistled without looking
To see where the goalkeeper was. Having whistled and the free kick was taken in an instant saw where the goalkeeper was and quickly thought to himself this aint fair i have cocked up so whistled again prior to the ball entering the goal.
I think mason tried to get himself out of awarding a controversial goal so he thought.
Var checked that he had blown for the kick to be taken and to see if there was an offside to be called.
Var decided the whistle had been blown and there was no offside so asked mason to change his decision to goal.
Var then told mason to hold play or mason asked var to check, as he had blown a second time, if the second whistle was prior to entering the goal. Var confirmed the second whistle was prior to the ball going in the goal.
As the second whistle in masons view was to have the kick retaken, then that was the play should restart the free kick. I dont believe mason could tell dunk to take the kick and blow at the same time ie wdunk said it was ok to take it.
One hell of a mess from both mason and var, initially caused by mason being too quick on the whistle to allow the
Kick to be taken, possibly by dunk wanting to take it quickly.

As for the commentators on sky not knowing the rule about twice playing the ball at a penalty kick it beggars belief, though i am not surprised lee hendie didnt have a clue, i thought bill leslie would have known better.

I had grave doubts about mason getting this game when the appointments were made, his best refereeing days are behind him i am afraid, he aint so good on var either.
« Last Edit: Sat 27 Feb 2021 20:13 by Claretman »

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Re: L MASON - West Brom v Brighton
« Reply #49 on: Sat 27 Feb 2021 20:07 »
Don’t know what all the confusion is about  8)

Mason blew the whistle as Brighton were ready, realised the WBA keeper wasn’t (tough luck) and blew before then ball crossed the line hence the goal correctly ruled out!

Mind you if you have 15 shots at goal and miss two penalties and score 0 goals do you really deserve anything?


That's not quite the point, is it?

Those are things Brighton can control and only have themselves to blame for; the first incident has been controlled for them by an official who is out of his depth.
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Re: L MASON - West Brom v Brighton
« Reply #50 on: Sat 27 Feb 2021 20:26 »
Don’t know what all the confusion is about  8)

Mason blew the whistle as Brighton were ready, realised the WBA keeper wasn’t (tough luck) and blew before then ball crossed the line hence the goal correctly ruled out!

Mind you if you have 15 shots at goal and miss two penalties and score 0 goals do you really deserve anything?

That's not quite the point, is it?

Those are things Brighton can control and only have themselves to blame for; the first incident has been controlled for them by an official who is out of his depth.

Why is it not the point? They missed a penalty before this incident even took place. If they scored both penalties and won 2-1 would we making such a big deal out of this??

Edited to fix the quote thingamajigga, bmb.
« Last Edit: Sat 27 Feb 2021 22:42 by bmb »
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Re: L MASON - West Brom v Brighton
« Reply #51 on: Sat 27 Feb 2021 20:50 »
Lee has blown for the free kick to be taken not looking and so not spotting that the Goalkeeper wasn't in position. He instinctively then blew before the ball hit the net to protect himself from giving a 'controversial goal'. The aftermath was always going to be a mess because whatever he decided from then on in was going to go down like a lead balloon with either side.

His big mistake was not concentrating before blowing for the free kick to be taken. As soon as that happens whether he blows again before the ball goes in or not it is always going to be a shambles with one of the two teams feeling aggrieved. Lesson here - always keep your concentration. If he just waits to see where the keeper is before blowing the whistle then there are no issues.
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Re: L MASON - West Brom v Brighton
« Reply #52 on: Sat 27 Feb 2021 21:48 »
Don’t know what all the confusion is about  8)

Mason blew the whistle as Brighton were ready, realised the WBA keeper wasn’t (tough luck) and blew before then ball crossed the line hence the goal correctly ruled out!

Mind you if you have 15 shots at goal and miss two penalties and score 0 goals do you really deserve anything?

Why is it not the point? They missed a penalty before this incident even took place. If they scored both penalties and won 2-1 would we making such a big deal out of this??

That's not quite the point, is it?

Those are things Brighton can control and only have themselves to blame for; the first incident has been controlled for them by an official who is out of his depth.

Because this isn't a Brighton forum where their fans are blaming Lee Mason for the defeat.
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Re: L MASON - West Brom v Brighton
« Reply #53 on: Sat 27 Feb 2021 21:53 »
Lee has blown for the free kick to be taken not looking and so not spotting that the Goalkeeper wasn't in position. He instinctively then blew before the ball hit the net to protect himself from giving a 'controversial goal'. The aftermath was always going to be a mess because whatever he decided from then on in was going to go down like a lead balloon with either side.

His big mistake was not concentrating before blowing for the free kick to be taken. As soon as that happens whether he blows again before the ball goes in or not it is always going to be a shambles with one of the two teams feeling aggrieved. Lesson here - alwayep your concentration. If he just waits to see where the keeper is before blowing the whistle then there are no issues.


I have nor seen it.   Just liking your description
Its the old chestnut tho.....the “ wait for whistle”.   
A- is to make sure ref ready.   

Is it to make sure gk ready tho?       Can of worms.... 

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Re: L MASON - West Brom v Brighton
« Reply #54 on: Sat 27 Feb 2021 22:58 »
Just wanted to say in amongst all the glee that every referee will make an inexplicably shocking decision at some point - Poll with the 3 yellows, Marriner with the Gibbs red card etc etc.

It was clearly a howler and I am sure he will get punished for it, but I think Mason, although not one of my favourite referees, has had a fairly steady few seasons without too much controversy. OK, he's rarely given the most highly charged fixtures but I can't think of a major mistake he's made of this magnitude for several years.

By all means criticise his performance today, but gloating over what it means for his career seems unedifying to me.

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Re: L MASON - West Brom v Brighton
« Reply #55 on: Sat 27 Feb 2021 23:13 »
In Dunk’s post match interview:

“I said to the ref “Can I take it?” - he said “Yes”.  I took it and scored”

The pictures on MOTD just now in the post match interview seems to back him up on this - there’s even a nod of the head from Mason to confirm he can take it.

The other question is - why blow the whistle a second time to stop play before the ball enters the goal and then initially give the goal?

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Re: L MASON - West Brom v Brighton
« Reply #56 on: Sat 27 Feb 2021 23:22 »
If he said he can take it quick why did they wait for the first whistle to be blown! They would have just taken it surely! Someone is lying with something, either Dunk for saying that or Bartley for saying he was dealing something with the wall. Mason obviously realised that the keeper wasn’t in position and to be fair to Johnstone you don’t normally see quick free kicks being taken in those position. Mason made this more a big deal that it should have been by giving the goal had he not done that it wouldn’t be as big as a talking point. Overall I think the VAR has worked well with this as with the first half penalty.
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Re: L MASON - West Brom v Brighton
« Reply #57 on: Sat 27 Feb 2021 23:36 »
Just wanted to say in amongst all the glee that every referee will make an inexplicably shocking decision at some point - Poll with the 3 yellows, Marriner with the Gibbs red card etc etc.

It was clearly a howler and I am sure he will get punished for it, but I think Mason, although not one of my favourite referees, has had a fairly steady few seasons without too much controversy. OK, he's rarely given the most highly charged fixtures but I can't think of a major mistake he's made of this magnitude for several years.

By all means criticise his performance today, but gloating over what it means for his career seems unedifying to me.

He made a major error just 4 weeks ago by not giving a penalty when Matty Cash made one of the clearest handballs you will ever see. He then followed it up 4 days later with a recommendation whilst on VAR duty that Bednarek should be sent off for something that wasn't even a foul, let alone a red card challenge.

And that's without mentioning his shambles at Sheffield Wednesday last Saturday which makes it four major errors in a single month.

Nuno was right, he's not good enough.
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Re: L MASON - West Brom v Brighton
« Reply #58 on: Sun 28 Feb 2021 07:42 »
What a mess!

Whilst it's true that attacking free-kicks are often allowed to be taken quickly, this didn't seem the sort of occasion where it would be allowed (given everyone was expecting it on the whistle and the goalkeeper was clearly still lining up the wall.)

I would not normally expect a Premier League referee to blow for the free-kick to be taken in that precise circumstance

Whether Mason blew for it to be taken and then realised the goalkeeper's position or blew for something else other than the restart, who knows - I'm not sure Mason knew himself!

Given Mason clearly wasn't happy and blew the whistle a few more times, I don't know why he was then talked into allowing the goal. It was already a bit chaotic but if he'd taken control and said 'sorry for the confusion lads, I wasn't blowing for the restart' then he'd at least have regained some authority (and within the spirit - and as it turned out laws - it felt reasonable for the goal to be disallowed.)

Given the referee awarded the goal, if VAR's verdict was the second whistle blew before the ball crossed the line, I'm not sure what the rationale was for restarting with the free-kick again?

Surely common sense would say go back to the free kick. One cannot expect Brighton to be punished twice in this situation

Common sense would have helped avoid the whole situation!

I agree it would not seem very just but from a technical viewpoint if Mason is saying 'I'm giving the goal because I blew to restart play' and Hooper is saying 'You can't give the goal because after that restart of play, you blew again before the ball crossed the line' then I'm not sure VAR can really change one technically 'incorrect' decision for another that seems technically 'incorrect'.

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Re: L MASON - West Brom v Brighton
« Reply #59 on: Sun 28 Feb 2021 08:15 »
What is almost unbelievable is that a referee of Mason's experience should allow a 'ceremonial' free kick to be taken without first checking that everything was in place for the kick to be taken. It wasn't actually a quickly taken free kick. The wall had got into position as had players of the attacking team. Mason gives the whistle in a proper manner. After this initial lapse of not checking, he then panics and after that confusion and chaos is inevitable. Without VAR the goal would have stood I suspect. I think Mason was wrong to whistle a second time for as far as I could see there was no infringement after the first whistle. Once play has re-started, with the free kick taken, in an orthodox manner by the referee's whistle I then cannot see any grounds for stopping play unless foul play was detected and there wasn't any.
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