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Kevin Friend : Burnley vs Man Utd
« on: Tue 12 Jan 2021 21:10 »
A busy first half for Kevin Friend and VAR Stuart Attwell and IMO both have been poor and Kevin Friend seems to have lost the plot poor foul detection appears to look like a rabbit in headlights at the moment you just don’t know what he is going to give no way in the world should Maguires header have been disallowed

Hope he and Attwell have a better second half because if Friend doesn’t regain some sort of composure and control it could reallly spiral
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Re: Kevin Friend : Burnley vs Man Utd
« Reply #1 on: Tue 12 Jan 2021 21:12 »
I have no idea how Stuart Atwell and Kevin Friend have come up with a yellow card for Luke Shaw. Absolutely shocking decision. How Friend doesn't see the first tackle is beyond me.
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« Reply #2 on: Tue 12 Jan 2021 21:15 »
Agreed Dave. One of the poorest displays I’ve seen friend do in a while. I can see why friend has “missed” it - from his position it looks like a 50-50 which is what I thought at the time. The replays slowed down always make it look worse. Shaw just gets a touch on the ball which I think saves him. I think they have got the decision just about right.
However a very poor decision to rule out the goal for maguire - he just jumps up earlier, should have been given!
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Re: Kevin Friend : Burnley vs Man Utd
« Reply #3 on: Tue 12 Jan 2021 21:18 »
First viewing I thought the Macguire goal was good. When it’s slowed down you can clearly see a hand in the back. Seen the given both ways. As for the Shaw tackle. 100% red for me . Forget the ball. The follow through is intentional. He knew what he was doing. Another poor decision which benefits Man Utd .
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Re: Kevin Friend : Burnley vs Man Utd
« Reply #4 on: Tue 12 Jan 2021 21:21 »
I hope United don't lose their discipline.  Cavani warned and Fernandes carded for moaning.  OGS and Maguire need to instill composure on the players.
Not sure I agree with the pundits about the Shaw challenge.  It looked to me as if he caught the top of the ball but there was the inevitable follow-through.
YC was ok for me.
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Re: Kevin Friend : Burnley vs Man Utd
« Reply #5 on: Tue 12 Jan 2021 21:22 »
Quote from: ajb95 on Tue 12 Jan 2021 21:15
Agreed Dave. One of the poorest displays I’ve seen friend do in a while. I can see why friend has “missed” it - from his position it looks like a 50-50 which is what I thought at the time. The replays slowed down always make it look worse. Shaw just gets a touch on the ball which I think saves him. I think they have got the decision just about right.
However a very poor decision to rule out the goal for maguire - he just jumps up earlier, should have been given!

He pushed Pieters in the back before he even left the ground and then had his arms over the top of him.
Believe me, Burnley very, very rarely get any favours from Kevin Friend, not that we expect favours ---just fairness.
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Re: Kevin Friend : Burnley vs Man Utd
« Reply #6 on: Tue 12 Jan 2021 21:35 »
Is that the correct protocol,He missed Shaws’tackle allows play to continue,when another foul is committed,surely the only way he can then go back and give a free kick against Shaw is to issue a red card
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Re: Kevin Friend : Burnley vs Man Utd
« Reply #7 on: Tue 12 Jan 2021 21:38 »
Regarding the first two posts here - how is the VAR responsible/partly to blame for the yellow card to Shaw?

Surely the VAR did well and the right thing in bringing the tackle to Kevin Friend's attention and from that point on its up to the ref only on the field to decide the card colour not the VAR?
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Re: Kevin Friend : Burnley vs Man Utd
« Reply #8 on: Tue 12 Jan 2021 22:15 »
A much improved second half performance by Kevin Friend , a game of two halves by Friend.
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Re: Kevin Friend : Burnley vs Man Utd
« Reply #9 on: Tue 12 Jan 2021 22:24 »
Help needed please. In added time two players went up for the ball in the United penalty area and suffered head injuries and the ball had been cleared and was in Burnley's possession 25 yards out when play was halted. The players were treated and quickly back on their feet, however, play was restarted with a drop ball for the United keeper. Have they changed this since the start of the season and I missed it because play should have restarted with a drop ball to a Burnley player if the interpretation is stilll the same.
After 74 years this game gets more puzzling by the day and it used to be so simple.
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Re: Kevin Friend : Burnley vs Man Utd
« Reply #10 on: Tue 12 Jan 2021 22:27 »
Quote from: Ashington46 on Tue 12 Jan 2021 22:24
Help needed please. In added time two players went up for the ball in the United penalty area and suffered head injuries and the ball had been cleared and was in Burnley's possession 25 yards out when play was halted. The players were treated and quickly back on their feet, however, play was restarted with a drop ball for the United keeper. Have they changed this since the start of the season and I missed it because play should have restarted with a drop ball to a Burnley player if the interpretation is stilll the same.
After 74 years this game gets more puzzling by the day and it used to be so simple.

Yes because the injuries happened in the penalty area and anything that happens within the Pa is now a dropped ball to the defending keeper.
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Re: Kevin Friend : Burnley vs Man Utd
« Reply #11 on: Tue 12 Jan 2021 22:41 »
Quote from: Ashington46 on Tue 12 Jan 2021 21:22
Quote from: ajb95 on Tue 12 Jan 2021 21:15
Agreed Dave. One of the poorest displays I’ve seen friend do in a while. I can see why friend has “missed” it - from his position it looks like a 50-50 which is what I thought at the time. The replays slowed down always make it look worse. Shaw just gets a touch on the ball which I think saves him. I think they have got the decision just about right.
However a very poor decision to rule out the goal for maguire - he just jumps up earlier, should have been given!

He pushed Pieters in the back before he even left the ground and then had his arms over the top of him.
Believe me, Burnley very, very rarely get any favours from Kevin Friend, not that we expect favours ---just fairness.

Ashington - i respect you and your wisdom. IMO Maguire jumps fairly and wins the header, the Burnley defender doesn’t jump. Maguire has to put his hands somewhere for leverage and that means his hand comes on his back.
Look at the reaction of Peieters- he doesn’t even appeal for it, which shows to me that even he didn’t think it was a foul
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Re: Kevin Friend : Burnley vs Man Utd
« Reply #12 on: Tue 12 Jan 2021 22:55 »
Quote from: ajb95 on Tue 12 Jan 2021 22:41
Quote from: Ashington46 on Tue 12 Jan 2021 21:22
Quote from: ajb95 on Tue 12 Jan 2021 21:15
Agreed Dave. One of the poorest displays I’ve seen friend do in a while. I can see why friend has “missed” it - from his position it looks like a 50-50 which is what I thought at the time. The replays slowed down always make it look worse. Shaw just gets a touch on the ball which I think saves him. I think they have got the decision just about right.
However a very poor decision to rule out the goal for maguire - he just jumps up earlier, should have been given!

He pushed Pieters in the back before he even left the ground and then had his arms over the top of him.
Believe me, Burnley very, very rarely get any favours from Kevin Friend, not that we expect favours ---just fairness.

Ashington - i respect you and your wisdom. IMO Maguire jumps fairly and wins the header, the Burnley defender doesn’t jump. Maguire has to put his hands somewhere for leverage and that means his hand comes on his back.
Look at the reaction of Peieters- he doesn’t even appeal for it, which shows to me that even he didn’t think it was a foul

No problem, however, he pushed him in the back before he even jumped and several Burnley players did appeal and correctly so ---as was proved by the all-seeing, always 100% correct VAR decision. UNited did their usual best to referee the game, however, Mr Friend was wise to some of their tricks.

I have to admit that I am just hoping that they may suspend the season because of the virus because it is getting tiresome watching the Premier League sniper turning up at all the grounds and doing so much damage to so many players. The two games I watched tonight had players going down when barely touched and they have only one objective in mind.
They used to call it something which I am not prepared to say in previous years and I don't like it at all.

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Re: Kevin Friend : Burnley vs Man Utd
« Reply #13 on: Tue 12 Jan 2021 22:56 »
Re the disallowed goal, one Burnley player seemed to appeal but that may have been for offside - which it wasn't.

I think United deserved it on the second half performance but I do wish our defence could improve their headed clearances which usually loop into the air and go no distance.

Yes, Friend definitely better after HT and there were less difficult incidents to adjudicate on. And players kept heir cool.  I'm glad Ole made the point in his post match interview. 

On the Shaw challenge, the clear and obvious error was Friend not giving the foul.  I wonder whether Attwell advised the monitor because he thought it was a RC or simply to highlight the Shaw foul to negate the incident at the other end.  I'm not sure of the protocol with the latter which is a point TillysDad raised.
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Re: Kevin Friend : Burnley vs Man Utd
« Reply #14 on: Tue 12 Jan 2021 23:03 »
Quote from: Jevontheref on Tue 12 Jan 2021 22:27
Quote from: Ashington46 on Tue 12 Jan 2021 22:24
Help needed please. In added time two players went up for the ball in the United penalty area and suffered head injuries and the ball had been cleared and was in Burnley's possession 25 yards out when play was halted. The players were treated and quickly back on their feet, however, play was restarted with a drop ball for the United keeper. Have they changed this since the start of the season and I missed it because play should have restarted with a drop ball to a Burnley player if the interpretation is stilll the same.
After 74 years this game gets more puzzling by the day and it used to be so simple.

Yes because the injuries happened in the penalty area and anything that happens within the Pa is now a dropped ball to the defending keeper.

Had the whistle gone when the ball was still in the penalty area I would agree with that, however, the ball was some 30 yards away from goal and near the touchline when the whistle went and I thought that play should have restarted at that point.
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