RateTheRef

Simple question. Is jon Moss premier league standard.
I think he had a terrible start to the season and looks uninterested and unfit.
Surely we better referees out there.

I would say no and he’s had a usual start to the season

It’s interestig dublinref I think you were referring to the shout against Lingard. Week in week out we see this offence penalised all over the pitch, but once you get to the penalty area these offences seem to be ignored. Crazy weird!?

Quote from: ajb95 on Thu 23 Sep 2021 11:23

It’s interestig dublinref I think you were referring to the shout against Lingard. Week in week out we see this offence penalised all over the pitch, but once you get to the penalty area these offences seem to be ignored. Crazy weird!?

I am yes and I agree with you - it is bizarre and I cannot understand the justification for it. There was a similar one in one of the games last weekend and VAR didn't intervene. That one with Lingard seemed extremely clear and Moss was in a good place to see it I can't for the life of me understand the rationale for no foul there, it was prolonged holding/pulling, no VAR but Moss shouldn't have needed it.

More broadly I think VAR should start picking up on these and it would eradicate it fairly quickly. The clampdown a few seasons back was not effective partially because referees didn't follow through but also it is hard to detect. With VAR it should be easy - what is more clear an obvious a foul than holding someone's shirt.

My slight suspicion is that it would take VAR too long to review corners/crosses from set pieces and setting the threshold might be difficult. Long story short though - I am still surprised these aren't penalised.

The problem is that there is some degree of holding at every corner kick and set piece in every game.  You cannot simply penalise everything.  'Holding' in and of itself, is not a foul.

The 'foul' in the PL game West Ham v Man United shouldn't have been given, and wasn't.  If we start pulling up those for reviews and giving penalties, you will genuinely have half a dozen in a match.

Moss missed the Lingard pull, but then from his view he obviously saw it differently. 

unfit.

This is the fitness test he will have passed to even be considered for appointments:

Repeated sprint ability test: 6 x 40m sprints - maximum 6 seconds to do the sprint, max 60 seconds recovery time between each sprint during which they walk back to the start of the 40m sprint area. If they fail 1/6 they are given an immediate 7th sprint, if they fail that, they fail the test.
Interval Test:40 x 75m runs/25m walk (equal to 4,000m) Max 17 seconds per 75m run, max 20 seconds per 25m walk. If they fail to reach the walking section once they get a warning, twice and they fail the test.
The time between the end of Test 1 and the start of Test 2 should be 6 to 8 minutes maximum.

Optional Dynamic yoyo test (as in by the PGMOL if they use it not the referee if it is used): 16 different coloured cones 20m apart in a set zig zag formation. Set run time between each cone (can't remember the exact time but it's a matter of seconds) Level 18-8. Total distance covered 2,040m. Failure to reach cone in time once is a warning, twice is a fail.
Optional yoyo intermittent test (as in by the PGMOL if they use it not the referee if it is used): 6 cones A at zero, A-B 5m apart, B-C 20m apart. Run 20m B-C, turn, Run 20m C-B, walk 5m B-A, turn walk 5m A-B Level 18-2. Total distance run 1800m. Failure to reach cone in time once is a warning, twice is a fail.

Pace for both set by audio file they must keep in pace with.

Then there are the various medical tests on top, including testing bmi which has to be below a certain number (can't remember the number)

He obviously passed the tests, fitness & medical, or he would not be refereeing.  At that level the test is repeated 3 or 4 times during the season at St Georges Park during their 2 day biweekly training to ensure they are maintaining their fitness.

4 years old now but a good indicator.

As bmb has illustrated Moss must be fit. I think the issue may be (certainly we see this in GAA) that there are fitter refs on the league who surpass the requirements. Likes of Taylor, Oliver, Pawson etc I’m sure would be able to go beyond the minimum standard so while we might look at Moss beside them and think he is unfit, this is, objectively, far from the case.

Quote from: Affy_Moose on Fri 24 Sep 2021 11:50

You cannot simply penalise everything.  'Holding' in and of itself, is not a foul.

While I sympathise with the view that you can't penalise everything, your statement that "'Holding' in and of itself, is not a foul" is contradicted by the Laws of the Game which state:

A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences:

a handball offence (except for the goalkeeper within their penalty area)
holds an opponent
impedes an opponent with contact
bites or spits at someone on the team lists or a match official
throws an object at the ball, an opponent or a match official, or makes contact with the ball with a held object

However, the LotG glossary would counter your point, as it states that:
A holding offence occurs only when a player’s contact with an opponent’s body
or equipment impedes the opponent’s movement