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John Busby, Tranmere v Wycombe
« on: Sun 17 Nov 2019 22:58 »
The following was reported on BBC North West News this evening:

"A man has been arrested following alleged homophobic abuse of the referee during Tranmere's League One match at home to Wycombe on Sunday.
A 24-year-old from Tranmere has been questioned by Merseyside Police.
It is understood Wycombe's Ryan Allsop reported alleged abuse to referee John Busby at half-time, with a further allegation of abuse against the keeper".

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Re: John Busby, Tranmere v Wycombe
« Reply #1 on: Mon 18 Nov 2019 00:16 »
Firstly, homophobic abuse is unacceptable and if proven, it is likely the individual involved will face criminal proceedings and a football ban. While I wasn’t in that stand, those who were seem to confirm the remark was made.

However players have to accept some responsibility for their actions too. It seemed that the Wycombe keeper was goading the home fans. Had he been more circumspect maybe the situation would not have arisen.

As for Mr Busby, for me it was another unimpressive performance. Only giving a throw-in for a challenge which resulted in a suspected fracture for Ridehalgh and failing to penalise a two-footed lunge on Hepburn-Murphy were poor decisions. The second moreso as in the passage of play which followed, resulted in a handball free-kick against Rovers from which Wycombe scored. His decision making throughout was erratic and he was the poorest referee seen at Prenton Park this season. That said, Wycombe were too good for Rovers on the day and deserved their win.
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Re: John Busby, Tranmere v Wycombe
« Reply #2 on: Mon 18 Nov 2019 09:01 »
Firstly, homophobic abuse is unacceptable and if proven, it is likely the individual involved will face criminal proceedings and a football ban. While I wasn’t in that stand, those who were seem to confirm the remark was made.

However players have to accept some responsibility for their actions too. It seemed that the Wycombe keeper was goading the home fans. Had he been more circumspect maybe the situation would not have arisen.

As for Mr Busby, for me it was another unimpressive performance. Only giving a throw-in for a challenge which resulted in a suspected fracture for Ridehalgh and failing to penalise a two-footed lunge on Hepburn-Murphy were poor decisions. The second moreso as in the passage of play which followed, resulted in a handball free-kick against Rovers from which Wycombe scored. His decision making throughout was erratic and he was the poorest referee seen at Prenton Park this season. That said, Wycombe were too good for Rovers on the day and deserved their win.

I didn't see much of the game but I did see the tackle by Bloomfield on Hepburn-Murphy. I wouldn't call it a lunge, but H-M did get caught by the trailing leg and should have been given a free kick.

My impression of Mr. Busby, having seen him a few times, is that he's overly lenient. If you get two teams who want to play football he can add to the occasion, but that isn't usually the case in League One.

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Re: John Busby, Tranmere v Wycombe
« Reply #3 on: Mon 18 Nov 2019 11:58 »
Firstly, homophobic abuse is unacceptable and if proven, it is likely the individual involved will face criminal proceedings and a football ban. While I wasn’t in that stand, those who were seem to confirm the remark was made.

However players have to accept some responsibility for their actions too. It seemed that the Wycombe keeper was goading the home fans. Had he been more circumspect maybe the situation would not have arisen.

As for Mr Busby, for me it was another unimpressive performance. Only giving a throw-in for a challenge which resulted in a suspected fracture for Ridehalgh and failing to penalise a two-footed lunge on Hepburn-Murphy were poor decisions. The second moreso as in the passage of play which followed, resulted in a handball free-kick against Rovers from which Wycombe scored. His decision making throughout was erratic and he was the poorest referee seen at Prenton Park this season. That said, Wycombe were too good for Rovers on the day and deserved their win.

I didn't see much of the game but I did see the tackle by Bloomfield on Hepburn-Murphy. I wouldn't call it a lunge, but H-M did get caught by the trailing leg and should have been given a free kick.

My impression of Mr. Busby, having seen him a few times, is that he's overly lenient. If you get two teams who want to play football he can add to the occasion, but that isn't usually the case in League One.
You may be right, only seen it at the match, but it was a strong challenge and definitely contact made. I’ve not commented on the handball and penalty decisions as didn’t see the first clearly of the second at all, due to distance from the incidents. The consensus seems to be the penalty was nailed on, while the handball free kick was probably  correct. I did feel Mr Busby was very inconsistent when blowing up yesterday. Would have preferred he’d let some of the defender-attacker tussles and making a back go and clamp down on other things.

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Re: John Busby, Tranmere v Wycombe
« Reply #4 on: Mon 18 Nov 2019 12:19 »
Firstly, homophobic abuse is unacceptable and if proven, it is likely the individual involved will face criminal proceedings and a football ban. While I wasn’t in that stand, those who were seem to confirm the remark was made.

However players have to accept some responsibility for their actions too. It seemed that the Wycombe keeper was goading the home fans. Had he been more circumspect maybe the situation would not have arisen.

As for Mr Busby, for me it was another unimpressive performance. Only giving a throw-in for a challenge which resulted in a suspected fracture for Ridehalgh and failing to penalise a two-footed lunge on Hepburn-Murphy were poor decisions. The second moreso as in the passage of play which followed, resulted in a handball free-kick against Rovers from which Wycombe scored. His decision making throughout was erratic and he was the poorest referee seen at Prenton Park this season. That said, Wycombe were too good for Rovers on the day and deserved their win.

I didn't see much of the game but I did see the tackle by Bloomfield on Hepburn-Murphy. I wouldn't call it a lunge, but H-M did get caught by the trailing leg and should have been given a free kick.

My impression of Mr. Busby, having seen him a few times, is that he's overly lenient. If you get two teams who want to play football he can add to the occasion, but that isn't usually the case in League One.
I agree with your view of the Hepburn-Murphy challenge.  It was worthy of a free kick. It was also worthy of a caution.  That said, there is no excuse for leaving Adebayo Akinfenwa unmarked at a free kick seconds later.  He is not exactly difficult to spot.

The challenge involving Ridehalgh was an interesting one.  The player making the tackle clearly nicked the ball away as Ridehalgh was attempting to hoof it downfield.  As a result Ridehalgh kicked him not the ball and injured himself.  That said, what Ridehalgh was about to do was perfectly obvious and challenging with a foot in the air in front of him was at least careless and probably reckless.  Free kick and yellow card for me.

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Re: John Busby, Tranmere v Wycombe
« Reply #5 on: Mon 18 Nov 2019 16:42 »
Firstly, homophobic abuse is unacceptable and if proven, it is likely the individual involved will face criminal proceedings and a football ban. While I wasn’t in that stand, those who were seem to confirm the remark was made.

However players have to accept some responsibility for their actions too. It seemed that the Wycombe keeper was goading the home fans. Had he been more circumspect maybe the situation would not have arisen.

As for Mr Busby, for me it was another unimpressive performance. Only giving a throw-in for a challenge which resulted in a suspected fracture for Ridehalgh and failing to penalise a two-footed lunge on Hepburn-Murphy were poor decisions. The second moreso as in the passage of play which followed, resulted in a handball free-kick against Rovers from which Wycombe scored. His decision making throughout was erratic and he was the poorest referee seen at Prenton Park this season. That said, Wycombe were too good for Rovers on the day and deserved their win.

I didn't see much of the game but I did see the tackle by Bloomfield on Hepburn-Murphy. I wouldn't call it a lunge, but H-M did get caught by the trailing leg and should have been given a free kick.

My impression of Mr. Busby, having seen him a few times, is that he's overly lenient. If you get two teams who want to play football he can add to the occasion, but that isn't usually the case in League One.
I agree with your view of the Hepburn-Murphy challenge.  It was worthy of a free kick. It was also worthy of a caution.  That said, there is no excuse for leaving Adebayo Akinfenwa unmarked at a free kick seconds later.  He is not exactly difficult to spot.

The challenge involving Ridehalgh was an interesting one.  The player making the tackle clearly nicked the ball away as Ridehalgh was attempting to hoof it downfield.  As a result Ridehalgh kicked him not the ball and injured himself.  That said, what Ridehalgh was about to do was perfectly obvious and challenging with a foot in the air in front of him was at least careless and probably reckless.  Free kick and yellow card for me.

It is a sure sign of the way the game will progress once a player is not allowed to challenge for the ball. Both the above incidents were genuine challenges for the ball and the ball was won by both players as the referee indicated.
All contact will soon be banned because it will be deemed to be dangerous, players will not be able to challenge for the ball because  the ball is no longer important in the game as far as winning it in a tackle is concerned.

The game has become sterile at the top level and it will only be a matter of time before  players coming through academies will be told that they are not allowed to tackle and this will be upheld by the new breed of referees coming through who will probably be instructed that every physical contact is a foul one way or another.

As someone said on here a few weeks ago, get used to it because it is mainly in this country that we allow tackles etc. --having watched quite a number of matches in the European Championships with various referees I can see that the aim is to take contact out of the game.
Referee's decision used to be final!
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