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Jarred Gillett - the PL debut
« on: Sat 25 Sep 2021 16:02 »
Great first half handled by Gillett. Both teams were physically aggressive so it was not an easy match to referee. 4 YCs were shown in the first half, three of which were correct except for the one Manquillo got - no foul IMO. The 40’ free kick call was very impressive. Fan of his style.

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Re: Jarred Gillett - the PL debut
« Reply #1 on: Sat 25 Sep 2021 17:22 »
Interesting as Gillet comes in for a lot of stick on the HYS section of the BBC, inc one suggestion that he lost control after 10 mins and another that this should be his 1st and last PL game.
Amazing how folks’ views can differ so much but is that not part of the beauty of RTR and similar sites?
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Re: Jarred Gillett - the PL debut
« Reply #2 on: Sat 25 Sep 2021 18:15 »
Gillett was exceptionally weak from minute one displaying very little control over the game. Allowed ridiculous play acting, timewasting and dissent from both sets of players and stamped very little authority on the game.

Example one... Darlow began timewasting at the start of the second half. Gillett continuously tried to "manage" the situation by talking to him/captain which made not one bit of difference. Darlow was booked in stoppage time - this was essentially a perfunctory crowd pleasing move which made absolutely no impact.

Example two... Manquillo (already booked in the first half) gave away a soft free kick towards the end of the game and subsequently leathered the ball down to the other end of the pitch well after the whistle. No second booking was forthcoming for dissent.

Just two examples of how Gillett displayed no control, consistency or authority over this game from start to finish. The Manquillo incident in particular was absolutely mindboggling!
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Re: Jarred Gillett - the PL debut
« Reply #3 on: Sat 25 Sep 2021 19:04 »
Gillett was exceptionally weak from minute one displaying very little control over the game. Allowed ridiculous play acting, timewasting and dissent from both sets of players and stamped very little authority on the game.

Example one... Darlow began timewasting at the start of the second half. Gillett continuously tried to "manage" the situation by talking to him/captain which made not one bit of difference. Darlow was booked in stoppage time - this was essentially a perfunctory crowd pleasing move which made absolutely no impact.

Example two... Manquillo (already booked in the first half) gave away a soft free kick towards the end of the game and subsequently leathered the ball down to the other end of the pitch well after the whistle. No second booking was forthcoming for dissent.

Just two examples of how Gillett displayed no control, consistency or authority over this game from start to finish. The Manquillo incident in particular was absolutely mindboggling!

I was out with a friend in Manchester today, we managed to catch a pub showing both 12:30 ko's. If you want a referee performance totally oblivious to obvious time wasting then Mike Dean with Villa Keeper Martinez is your man. Not even a word spoken to him throughout the 94 minutes. Very very weak refereeing from a ref who has been on the list for over 20 years. But I suppose the PGMOL are telling them to ignore it because if this was a game in a league abroad, he would probably have been sent off in the 1st half. Atrocious refereeing.

Oliver looked fairly decent in the other game from what I could see. Although wasnt watching properly due to alcohol consumption!
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Re: Jarred Gillett - the PL debut
« Reply #4 on: Sun 26 Sep 2021 09:55 »
Indeed seems to have polarised opinions. From the highlights I picked up on only two things - like we discussed about Jon Moss his positioning isn't fantastic but he didn't  have any KMI errors and secondly he didn't make the VAR signal for the VAR awarded offside. Beyond that in the highlights it looked like he did fine.

Did anyone else see the whole game? Would be interesting to see more views on it as seems the two people here who saw the game are very far apart in terms of their assessment of his performance.

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Re: Jarred Gillett - the PL debut
« Reply #5 on: Sun 26 Sep 2021 09:58 »
One has to say a fiery baptism for Mr. Gillett and a difficult match to control by the sound of it.
But we all have to start somewhere don’t we. Even the most experienced referees like Mike Dean, Anthony Taylor etc, come in for plenty of stick, and I’m sure Gillett will learn from it. It was a bit harsh of the crowd to shout “You don’t know what you’re doing” when the late Watford goal was disallowed, correctly! He does know what he’s doing, and will adjust to the pace and aggression of the top flight after a short while. Give him a chance!
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Re: Jarred Gillett - the PL debut
« Reply #6 on: Sun 26 Sep 2021 10:27 »
Example one... Darlow began timewasting at the start of the second half. Gillett continuously tried to "manage" the situation by talking to him/captain which made not one bit of difference. Darlow was booked in stoppage time - this was essentially a perfunctory crowd pleasing move which made absolutely no impact.

You can't book a player for his first-time time-wasting. There should be a process - gesture, verbal warning then caution. Also, I was happy to see him not to fall for the crowd noise easily. I can't see Gillett doing anything wrong about it.

Example two... Manquillo (already booked in the first half) gave away a soft free kick towards the end of the game and subsequently leathered the ball down to the other end of the pitch well after the whistle. No second booking was forthcoming for dissent.

As for the Manquillo incident, I think Gillett made a mistake in blowing his whistle - no foul either IMO. That was why Manquillo was frustrated. But he did kick the ball away, so I agree that there should be the second YC for Manquillo's reaction despite the wrong foul call.

Overall I think Gillett was doing well - not an easy match for a new PL ref but he managed to calm things down and kept players under control. I think he will have a bright future. We can not expect a beginner to manage a match like Oliver did last night - superb performance for him by the way!

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Re: Jarred Gillett - the PL debut
« Reply #7 on: Sun 26 Sep 2021 12:38 »
Example one... Darlow began timewasting at the start of the second half. Gillett continuously tried to "manage" the situation by talking to him/captain which made not one bit of difference. Darlow was booked in stoppage time - this was essentially a perfunctory crowd pleasing move which made absolutely no impact.

You can't book a player for his first-time time-wasting. There should be a process - gesture, verbal warning then caution. Also, I was happy to see him not to fall for the crowd noise easily. I can't see Gillett doing anything wrong about it.

Example two... Manquillo (already booked in the first half) gave away a soft free kick towards the end of the game and subsequently leathered the ball down to the other end of the pitch well after the whistle. No second booking was forthcoming for dissent.

As for the Manquillo incident, I think Gillett made a mistake in blowing his whistle - no foul either IMO. That was why Manquillo was frustrated. But he did kick the ball away, so I agree that there should be the second YC for Manquillo's reaction despite the wrong foul call.

Overall I think Gillett was doing well - not an easy match for a new PL ref but he managed to calm things down and kept players under control. I think he will have a bright future. We can not expect a beginner to manage a match like Oliver did last night - superb performance for him by the way!

"You can't book a player for his first-time time-wasting".  Yes you can - it's Unsporting Behaviour.
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Re: Jarred Gillett - the PL debut
« Reply #8 on: Sun 26 Sep 2021 13:15 »
"You can't book a player for his first-time time-wasting".  Yes you can - it Unsporting Behaviour.

Yes you are right - sorry for using inaccurate statements to express my point of view. Of course you can caution the player for time-wasting, however, the real problem is that you can not blame Gillett for not booking Darlow for his so-called "time-wasting" at the start of the second half: every time after Newcastle got a goal kick, Watford fans behind Darlow the goalie started to make a noise. Was Darlow actually wasting time then or just home fans giving pressure to him and the referee? Not to mention that there should be gesture(s) and verbal warning(s) before the caution for time-wasting, which I think Gillett had done it well. So I don't think this is a good example of his "weak performance".
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« Reply #9 on: Sun 26 Sep 2021 13:32 »
Just been reading through some of the press reports on Jarred Gillett’s performance and there is a spectrum of complete vitriol “Go back to Australia - you’re rubbish” to Steve Bruce and a few other people praising Gillett for handling a tough game well. So I would say, it’s typical of the football culture where you get two diametrically opposing views of particular incidents. It’s all about handling pressure and from my experience as a cricket umpire over 33 years, you will get tested in your initial match at the highest level to see what you’re made of. The Twitterati (never to be trusted for rational comment at the best of times) are not giving the new guy a chance. It’s one game, and would club’s supporters berate a player for being indifferent on their debut? No. Being an umpire, I can be objective about the performance of officials in a lot of sports without resorting to cheap jibes.
By the way, Gillett got a mark of 6 from one newspaper, not terrible, not outstanding either. Even the Sun newspaper praised him, and they’re hardly referee friendly are they?

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Re: Jarred Gillett - the PL debut
« Reply #10 on: Sun 26 Sep 2021 15:02 »
Just been reading through some of the press reports on Jarred Gillett’s performance and there is a spectrum of complete vitriol “Go back to Australia - you’re rubbish” to Steve Bruce and a few other people praising Gillett for handling a tough game well. So I would say, it’s typical of the football culture where you get two diametrically opposing views of particular incidents. It’s all about handling pressure and from my experience as a cricket umpire over 33 years, you will get tested in your initial match at the highest level to see what you’re made of. The Twitterati (never to be trusted for rational comment at the best of times) are not giving the new guy a chance. It’s one game, and would club’s supporters berate a player for being indifferent on their debut? No. Being an umpire, I can be objective about the performance of officials in a lot of sports without resorting to cheap jibes.
By the way, Gillett got a mark of 6 from one newspaper, not terrible, not outstanding either. Even the Sun newspaper praised him, and they’re hardly referee friendly are they?

Objection, your honour.
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Re: Jarred Gillett - the PL debut
« Reply #11 on: Sun 26 Sep 2021 23:29 »
Did anyone else see the whole game? Would be interesting to see more views on it as seems the two people here who saw the game are very far apart in terms of their assessment of his performance.

I have the match on my laptop and will watch in full / report back in the next few days.
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Re: Jarred Gillett - the PL debut
« Reply #12 on: Mon 27 Sep 2021 01:04 »
I caught a bit of the game out here, as naturally, it was quite big news for Optus Sport to have one of their own in the PL.

I thought he did very well from what I saw, and handled a very physical game well. He seemed very calm and assured, and it was nice to see his relaxed running style once more.
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Re: Jarred Gillett - the PL debut
« Reply #13 on: Mon 27 Sep 2021 11:48 »
Did anyone else see the whole game? Would be interesting to see more views on it as seems the two people here who saw the game are very far apart in terms of their assessment of his performance.

I have the match on my laptop and will watch in full / report back in the next few days.

Thanks Mikael, I’m really looking forward to hearing what I’m sure will be your usual excellent comments.

I really enjoyed your recent review on the Jon Moss game, I had some comments I meant to post and will do so later today if I’ve time.