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Very impressed with Moss.. no dross today!

Got everything correct and excellent use of advantages.

Aside from the referees performance.. what an absolute shambles in extra time when the Chelsea keeper refused to be substituted. Oh dear oh dear.

Any observations on Hazard being flagged offside by Andy Halliday towards the end of 90 minutes? It seemed erroneous and against VAR protocol.

Agree that he was very good, but I wonder if he could have done more during the substitution farce.

As I understand it, the board had gone up and the substitution had been announced - at that point does the player not have to leave the field by law? And could be YCd if he doesn't comply?

I felt verry bad for Sarri and wonder if the ref could have been a bit more proactive

No, there's nothing in law to support that.  You could potentially caution him for delaying the restart, but you can't physically force him off and it is for the club to sort out. 

In fact getting involved would be incorrect in law, as law 3 states …

if a player who is to be replaced refuses to leave, play continues

Any observations on Hazard being flagged offside by Andy Halliday towards the end of 90 minutes? It seemed erroneous and against VAR protocol.

I agree that he should have delayed the flag - or at least Moss should have delayed the whistle.

I think the protocol is for when there is an imminent chance of scoring - some might argue that normally applies closer to goal but I think common sense says that in that context it's best to wait.

Other than that, thought Moss had a very good game - I think he's had a pretty good season.

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Agree that he was very good, but I wonder if he could have done more during the substitution farce.

As I understand it, the board had gone up and the substitution had been announced - at that point does the player not have to leave the field by law? And could be YCd if he doesn't comply?

I felt verry bad for Sarri and wonder if the ref could have been a bit more proactive

No, there's nothing in law to support that.  You could potentially caution him for delaying the restart, but you can't physically force him off and it is for the club to sort out. 

In that getting involved would be incorrect in law, as law 3 states …

if a player who is to be replaced refuses to leave, play continues

What would you do if the manager insisted the sub should be made when you went to speak to him?

Would you instruct the goalkeeper to complete the substitution process and yellow card him if he refused, or simply consider that the substitution wasn't taking place and continue the game until the players/manager sorted it out themselves?

I wouldn't blame Moss for the incident. I thought he handled it well by seemingly speaking to the keeper and the manager. I'm not sure disciplinary action at that point would have helped the situation.

As per law, you restart play.  The manager and keeper can then sort it out between themselves and if the latter then sees sense you can then allow the substitution to go ahead.

What would you do if the manager repeatedly tried to make the substitution at subsequent stoppages and the player kept refusing to go off?!

Do you just ignore the substitution entirely or can any disciplinary action be taken against a player/manager if it is perceived as, for example, timewasting?

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Quote from: Readingfan on Sun 24 Feb 2019 20:36

Quote from: rustyref on Sun 24 Feb 2019 20:28

Quote from: BabyRef on Sun 24 Feb 2019 19:43

Agree that he was very good, but I wonder if he could have done more during the substitution farce.

As I understand it, the board had gone up and the substitution had been announced - at that point does the player not have to leave the field by law? And could be YCd if he doesn't comply?

I felt verry bad for Sarri and wonder if the ref could have been a bit more proactive

No, there's nothing in law to support that.  You could potentially caution him for delaying the restart, but you can't physically force him off and it is for the club to sort out. 

In that getting involved would be incorrect in law, as law 3 states …

if a player who is to be replaced refuses to leave, play continues

What would you do if the manager insisted the sub should be made when you went to speak to him?

Would you instruct the goalkeeper to complete the substitution process and yellow card him if he refused, or simply consider that the substitution wasn't taking place and continue the game until the players/manager sorted it out themselves?

I wouldn't blame Moss for the incident. I thought he handled it well by seemingly speaking to the keeper and the manager. I'm not sure disciplinary action at that point would have helped the situation.

As per law, you restart play.  The manager and keeper can then sort it out between themselves and if the latter then sees sense you can then allow the substitution to go ahead.

What would you do if the manager repeatedly tried to make the substitution at subsequent stoppages and the player kept refusing to go off?!

Do you just ignore the substitution entirely or can any disciplinary action be taken against a player/manager if it is perceived as, for example, timewasting?

Not sure but presumably time would be added on each occasion, 'minimum of 5....10....15 additional minutes

I wonder how much influence the Chelsea players, and in particular the captain, might have had on effecting the substitution. After all, they are on the field of play, not the manager. I think it was the Wolves captain who intervened when two players lined up to take their penalty v AFCB, and shoved one of the players out of the way. Could something similar not have happened at Wembley?

I would not wish to be at the Chelsea training ground today, but will the manager be there?   

Any observations on Hazard being flagged offside by Andy Halliday towards the end of 90 minutes? It seemed erroneous and against VAR protocol.

Here lies the problem and it will continue. Only certain games next season will have VAR. I can see when the SG1 are in the FL without VAR that they will either continue to flag early, against VAR protocol, or they won't flag at all and we will get more controversial offside shouts.

I can really see the FL sides suffering as it will be difficult to switch between the two ways of doing things.

The only other option is that no SG1 go into the FL.

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Any observations on Hazard being flagged offside by Andy Halliday towards the end of 90 minutes? It seemed erroneous and against VAR protocol.

Here lies the problem and it will continue. Only certain games next season will have VAR. I can see when the SG1 are in the FL without VAR that they will either continue to flag early, against VAR protocol, or they won't flag at all and we will get more controversial offside shouts.

I can really see the FL sides suffering as it will be difficult to switch between the two ways of doing things.

The only other option is that no SG1 go into the FL.

Well, they've managed to adjust to games with/without goal line technology or to games in Europe using AARs, etc.

It's a slight challenge but it can't be that difficult for trained professionals surely.

That's a good point, perhaps it'll be the non FIFA officials who've had less exposure who could potentially be at a disadvantage.