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Harrogate V Carlisle
« on: Tue 29 Dec 2020 20:25 »
So Harrogate will are currently very unhappy with tonight's Referee having passed the ground before kick off to abandoning after 10 minutes.

What makes them so unhappy is the fact that they went 1-0 up after a minute.

A few people commenting on twitter not happy at all saying it was an awful decision to start the game.

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Re: Harrogate V Carlisle
« Reply #1 on: Tue 29 Dec 2020 21:15 »
It would seem incredibly strange for a safe pitch to become unsafe after just 10 minutes play - sounds like a bit of a boo boo!
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Re: Harrogate V Carlisle
« Reply #2 on: Tue 29 Dec 2020 21:17 »
Must have had input from the very inexperienced 4th official (😏😋😆)
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Re: Harrogate V Carlisle
« Reply #3 on: Tue 29 Dec 2020 21:20 »
According to the Harrogate Advertiser, the pitch was deemed playable at 17:00, and was still fine at kick-off.

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Re: Harrogate V Carlisle
« Reply #4 on: Tue 29 Dec 2020 21:28 »
Once you clear the snow and the temperature drops, you increase the risk of it feezing. Would not take too many areas to become slippy before you stop it.

Sometimes you have to look ahead and wonder whether you will finish, not just whether you can start.

I have been in both camps where I have played a game when in all honesty we were never going to finish and also where I have taken flack for calling a game off at 5pm because all the indicators were that we would not finish. Plus you do have to take into account people getting home after the game
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Re: Harrogate V Carlisle
« Reply #5 on: Tue 29 Dec 2020 22:22 »
I've called off games when the pitch has been borderline playable an hour before kick off, purely on the basis that if it is borderline after the sun has gone down it simply isn't going to get any better as the temperature drops (relating to cold weather rather than rain).  It causes arguments as the clubs say the pitch is playable, but I once got a phone call from a home chairman to apologise as he'd gone from the clubhouse onto the pitch after 9pm and it was frozen solid, whereas it was just a bit crunchy two hours earlier.

It's the same for a 3pm winter kick off as well, if it is frozen at 2pm it just isn't going to defrost in time, and even if it does it is likely going to freeze again before the game can be finished.

I've seen a video of this one tonight where a goal kick hits the ground and bounces so high it was as if it had hit concrete, no way you can play on that.
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Re: Harrogate V Carlisle
« Reply #6 on: Wed 30 Dec 2020 09:57 »
This must be one of the quickest abandonments ever at this level. I recall Steve Lodge abandoning a game after a similar period but don't have the details. Gary Willard abandoned an FA Cup tie at Nottingham Forest after 15 minutes due to snow which only began to fall after KO, and his actions were widely praised. And, another for ISOR, the Blackburn v Palace game on 1st Feb 1969 was abandoned by Doug Fieldsend after 18 minutes due to rain and mud. Was there not a game at St Austell 2-3 years ago which was abandoned after less than a minute?

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Re: Harrogate V Carlisle
« Reply #7 on: Wed 30 Dec 2020 11:08 »
This must be one of the quickest abandonments ever at this level. I recall Steve Lodge abandoning a game after a similar period but don't have the details. Gary Willard abandoned an FA Cup tie at Nottingham Forest after 15 minutes due to snow which only began to fall after KO, and his actions were widely praised. And, another for ISOR, the Blackburn v Palace game on 1st Feb 1969 was abandoned by Doug Fieldsend after 18 minutes due to rain and mud. Was there not a game at St Austell 2-3 years ago which was abandoned after less than a minute?

I wasn't aware of that but Stephen Lodge abandoned a league match between Grimsby and Sunderland in December 1993.

All six minutes of the match is on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq1w6EwdMjM&ab_channel=GrimsbyTownclassicvideos
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Re: Harrogate V Carlisle
« Reply #8 on: Wed 30 Dec 2020 12:53 »
Can't see what the problem was, played in worse!  ;)
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Re: Harrogate V Carlisle
« Reply #9 on: Wed 30 Dec 2020 13:58 »
Yes, that's the one, and it's good that this farce was recorded for posterity. Seriously, although things obviously got worse in the 5-6 minutes in which play was possible, there was no way the match should have started, with conditions on the nearside being unplayable from the start. A classic and thanks SuffolkRef for locating it.   

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Re: Harrogate V Carlisle
« Reply #10 on: Wed 30 Dec 2020 16:46 »
Can't see what the problem was, played in worse!  ;)
  but it was water polo!!!

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Re: Harrogate V Carlisle
« Reply #11 on: Wed 30 Dec 2020 18:37 »
I wonder if the lack of fans has any impact on referee decisions? It obviously doesn't make a pitch playable but some of the wider concerns about fan safety/experience aren't so relevant and the desire to give fans, especially away ones travelling a long distance, notice is not such a big issue so perhaps a referee might be slightly more willing to give a game a chance.

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Re: Harrogate V Carlisle
« Reply #12 on: Wed 30 Dec 2020 23:59 »
I wonder if the lack of fans has any impact on referee decisions? It obviously doesn't make a pitch playable but some of the wider concerns about fan safety/experience aren't so relevant and the desire to give fans, especially away ones travelling a long distance, notice is not such a big issue so perhaps a referee might be slightly more willing to give a game a chance.

Possibly but there were Harrogate fans in attendance at their game.

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Re: Harrogate V Carlisle
« Reply #13 on: Thu 31 Dec 2020 12:09 »
Worst thing is - Harrogate were forced to pay a £200,000 bill in the summer ripping up their 3G pitch to put a natural grass one back in on the orders of the EFL.
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Re: Harrogate V Carlisle
« Reply #14 on: Thu 31 Dec 2020 12:48 »

Is there any difference between a referee's fee (and other officials) for a postponed match and that for an abandoned one ?  Not suggesting any impropriety - just curious !