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Jake the Peg

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Goal line technology in the EFL
« on: Sat 08 Apr 2023 18:22 »
Is it time for the EFL to fund goal line technology in their leagues?  Yesterday there were two instances of goals being given when there was serious doubt if the ball had crossed the line.  One was when Port Vale keeper juggled the ball from a cross, it bounced down near the goal line but the AR was not at the corner flag but still gave it.  The other was at Rochdale where the Walsall keeper caught the ball and took it down near the goal and the AR gave the goal even though there was a 99.9% chance the ball hadn't cross the line.  In both cases it looked like the AR was guessing rather than being certain.  When you see "goals" in the Premier chalked off because a millimetre of the ball wasn't over the line, how can ARs be expected to be totally accurate in their judgements??

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Re: Goal line technology in the EFL
« Reply #1 on: Sat 08 Apr 2023 20:04 »
Cost vs benefit analysis would be needed.  it costs a lot of money, not just to install (around £250k per ground) but also to regularly service it.  For the number of occasions goal line decisions happen I suspect the view would be that the cost cannot be justified in divisions with relatively low attendances and income.  If you think that there are 46 League 1 and 2 clubs, that's a total cost of £12 million to install.  Even if there are tight goal line decisions 20 times a season, and this is probably an exaggeration, that's £600,000 per potential goal.  Not really a a problem at Premier and to a lesser extent Championship, where individual players can earn that in a couple of weeks, but in League 2 the total weekly wage bill for clubs is between £22k and £54k.
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Re: Goal line technology in the EFL
« Reply #2 on: Sat 08 Apr 2023 20:26 »
This is a sad reflection of the game isnít it?  The lower leagues get the worst officials where mistakes are more likely but will have to just put with it because all the money sloshes around at the top of the game and the smaller clubs must just suck it up.
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Re: Goal line technology in the EFL
« Reply #3 on: Sat 08 Apr 2023 21:20 »
This is a sad reflection of the game isnít it?  The lower leagues get the worst officials where mistakes are more likely but will have to just put with it because all the money sloshes around at the top of the game and the smaller clubs must just suck it up.

In all walks of life, there will be always a food chain system.  Not everyone will be CEO of FTSE 100 companies.  All referees start somewhere and through their performance and with abit of luck, they moved up.  So to answer you politely - No, they lower leagues don't get worst officials.  It just happened that the NL Officials were below SG2 and SG1.  0.00001% of Officials that took-up the whistle will ever get to officiate in the FL.

I understand that we all have opinion about a performance, sometime after watching 100 replays but let's think about what we say sometimes.
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Re: Goal line technology in the EFL
« Reply #4 on: Sat 08 Apr 2023 21:35 »
This is a sad reflection of the game isnít it?  The lower leagues get the worst officials where mistakes are more likely but will have to just put with it because all the money sloshes around at the top of the game and the smaller clubs must just suck it up.

Not really.  I'd like under floor heating at home, but I can't justify the cost of installing and running it.  Someone earning 10 times more than me could put it in without even thinking about the cost.

It's no different to why lots of league 1 and 2 teams don't have undersoil heating, desso pitches, state of the art drainage systems, etc, that all top level clubs have. 
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Re: Goal line technology in the EFL
« Reply #5 on: Sun 09 Apr 2023 08:25 »
This is a sad reflection of the game isnít it?  The lower leagues get the worst officials where mistakes are more likely but will have to just put with it because all the money sloshes around at the top of the game and the smaller clubs must just suck it up.

Not really.  I'd like under floor heating at home, but I can't justify the cost of installing and running it.  Someone earning 10 times more than me could put it in without even thinking about the cost.

It's no different to why lots of league 1 and 2 teams don't have undersoil heating, desso pitches, state of the art drainage systems, etc, that all top level clubs have.   

I understand that the lower leagues have refs who are on the way up but there are also many referees at that level who have been there for ages because they simply arenít good enough to progress to the higher levels and never will be.  I accept that my request for goal line technology is not financially viable but I still maintain that some decisions made by ARs on line decisions are based on guesswork. I have frequently seen officials to run over to check if the ball is in the quadrant at a corner because they canít be certain from a few yards away yet we have ARs making crucial goal line decisions which they could only be certain about if standing directly in line by the corner flag. Officials shouldnít guess - they should be certain.

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Re: Goal line technology in the EFL
« Reply #6 on: Sun 09 Apr 2023 09:54 »
This is a sad reflection of the game isnít it?  The lower leagues get the worst officials where mistakes are more likely but will have to just put with it because all the money sloshes around at the top of the game and the smaller clubs must just suck it up.

I understand that the lower leagues have refs who are on the way up but there are also many referees at that level who have been there for ages because they simply arenít good enough to progress to the higher levels and never will be.  I accept that my request for goal line technology is not financially viable but I still maintain that some decisions made by ARs on line decisions are based on guesswork. I have frequently seen officials to run over to check if the ball is in the quadrant at a corner because they canít be certain from a few yards away yet we have ARs making crucial goal line decisions which they could only be certain about if standing directly in line by the corner flag. Officials shouldnít guess - they should be certain.

No one can run as fast as a football is kicked.  Therefore when the shot comes from a distance out, as was the case here, it is absolutely impossible for the assistant to be level with the goal line at the time the ball reaches it.  That means that there is going to be an element of guesswork whatever decision they indicate, they will have been sure in their mind that the ball crossed the line, but unfortunately sometimes our eyes play tricks on us, especially when looking at a ball on or near a line from an angle.

The referee checking the ball is in the quadrant at a corner is different as the referee's normal position at a corner isn't level with either edge of the quadrant. 
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Re: Goal line technology in the EFL
« Reply #7 on: Sun 09 Apr 2023 10:07 »
This is a sad reflection of the game isnít it?  The lower leagues get the worst officials where mistakes are more likely but will have to just put with it because all the money sloshes around at the top of the game and the smaller clubs must just suck it up.

I understand that the lower leagues have refs who are on the way up but there are also many referees at that level who have been there for ages because they simply arenít good enough to progress to the higher levels and never will be.  I accept that my request for goal line technology is not financially viable but I still maintain that some decisions made by ARs on line decisions are based on guesswork. I have frequently seen officials to run over to check if the ball is in the quadrant at a corner because they canít be certain from a few yards away yet we have ARs making crucial goal line decisions which they could only be certain about if standing directly in line by the corner flag. Officials shouldnít guess - they should be certain.

No one can run as fast as a football is kicked.  Therefore when the shot comes from a distance out, as was the case here, it is absolutely impossible for the assistant to be level with the goal line at the time the ball reaches it.  That means that there is going to be an element of guesswork whatever decision they indicate, they will have been sure in their mind that the ball crossed the line, but unfortunately sometimes our eyes play tricks on us, especially when looking at a ball on or near a line from an angle.

The referee checking the ball is in the quadrant at a corner is different as the referee's normal position at a corner isn't level with either edge of the quadrant.

Excellent point. George, the referee who trained me back in the 1980s recalled an instance when a player bemoaned the fact that he was not "up with play".  George called the player over and said that he was going to boot the ball as far as he could and if the player was not able to catch him he would be cautioned.  The player complained that he could not run as fast as the ball could be kicked.  George winked at him and said:  "Neither can I!" - end of discussion.

Also, I think we get over the fact that officials "shouldn't guess".  100% certainly is rare in many aspect of life - both on and off the football field.  Many decisions have an element of guesswork.  They also have elements of experience, positioning, a good line of sight and refereeing nous.  If we have to be 100% certain on every decision, many would not be made at all.
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Re: Goal line technology in the EFL
« Reply #8 on: Sun 09 Apr 2023 14:17 »
Given this debate involves a 'goal' scored by my team, I find it particularly interesting.

All I would say, having attended 99% of their games over the last 25 years, is that I can count incidents like that witnessed on Friday on the fingers of one hand, with fingers still to spare!

As others have said, it just wouldn't justify the expense.
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