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Author Topic: Gillingham v Leyton Orient - Carl Brook  (Read 869 times)

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Gillingham v Leyton Orient - Carl Brook
« on: Wed 19 Apr 2023 11:33 »
Not sure what to make of what I saw on Twitter this morning.  What does everyone/the Laws think?

There was a floodlight failure at Prestfield during the match after which point with the score at 2-0, by virtue of other matches having already finished Gillingham knew they were safe from relegation and Orient knew they had been promoted, so for the last 10 minutes apparently the players passed the ball amongst themselves and made no real attempt to attack/score.

https://twitter.com/Deutsch_Gills/status/1648451079544401921?s=20

Not so much the 'Disgrace of Gijon' but the 'Umbrage of Prestfield'?

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Re: Gillingham v Leyton Orient - Carl Brook
« Reply #1 on: Wed 19 Apr 2023 12:09 »
Not sure what to make of what I saw on Twitter this morning.  What does everyone/the Laws think?

There was a floodlight failure at Prestfield during the match after which point with the score at 2-0, by virtue of other matches having already finished Gillingham knew they were safe from relegation and Orient knew they had been promoted, so for the last 10 minutes apparently the players passed the ball amongst themselves and made no real attempt to attack/score.

https://twitter.com/Deutsch_Gills/status/1648451079544401921?s=20

Not so much the 'Disgrace of Gijon' but the 'Umbrage of Prestfield'?

One newspaper printed the match report in its crime section.
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Re: Gillingham v Leyton Orient - Carl Brook
« Reply #2 on: Wed 19 Apr 2023 13:19 »
The worst refereeing performance I have ever seen, bar none.
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Re: Gillingham v Leyton Orient - Carl Brook
« Reply #3 on: Wed 19 Apr 2023 13:55 »
The worst refereeing performance I have ever seen, bar none.
By one of the best referees I’ve seen in league one this season.
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Re: Gillingham v Leyton Orient - Carl Brook
« Reply #4 on: Wed 19 Apr 2023 14:50 »
The worst refereeing performance I have ever seen, bar none.
By one of the best referees I’ve seen in league one this season.

By far one of the best I would say.
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Re: Gillingham v Leyton Orient - Carl Brook
« Reply #5 on: Wed 19 Apr 2023 15:24 »
Anyone remember this one from 1977?



The game at Coventry kicked off late due to crowd congestion. Sunderland were playing the same night and their defeat meant if Coventry v Bristol City finished a draw both teams would stay in Division One. Jimmy Hill was Coventry chairman and had the Sunderland result announced over the PA. The last fifteen minutes at Highfield Road became a friendly kickabout.

The referee was Ron Challis, btw.
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Re: Gillingham v Leyton Orient - Carl Brook
« Reply #6 on: Wed 19 Apr 2023 16:35 »
Not sure what to make of what I saw on Twitter this morning.  What does everyone/the Laws think?

There was a floodlight failure at Prestfield during the match after which point with the score at 2-0, by virtue of other matches having already finished Gillingham knew they were safe from relegation and Orient knew they had been promoted, so for the last 10 minutes apparently the players passed the ball amongst themselves and made no real attempt to attack/score.

https://twitter.com/Deutsch_Gills/status/1648451079544401921?s=20

Not so much the 'Disgrace of Gijon' but the 'Umbrage of Prestfield'?

As far as the LOTG are concerned, there is nothing the Referee can do, I would say. He is there to ensure the game is played within the laws, which it was, although it was no fun at all for spectators. He can't bring the game to a premature end either, as tempting as that may be. It was just an unfortunate situation caused by the floodlight failure.
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Re: Gillingham v Leyton Orient - Carl Brook
« Reply #7 on: Wed 19 Apr 2023 16:45 »
I think if it was last game of the season then any other fixtures that had a bearing on this result would/should be halted. But with 3 games still to go, its a non story

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Re: Gillingham v Leyton Orient - Carl Brook
« Reply #8 on: Wed 19 Apr 2023 18:31 »
I think if it was last game of the season then any other fixtures that had a bearing on this result would/should be halted. But with 3 games still to go, its a non story

There is nothing the referee can do to make the players "try harder".  From the (comically speeded up) footage it does look more like a real game than originally advertised, but that could be misleading.
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Re: Gillingham v Leyton Orient - Carl Brook
« Reply #9 on: Wed 19 Apr 2023 18:35 »
I think if it was last game of the season then any other fixtures that had a bearing on this result would/should be halted. But with 3 games still to go, its a non story

Even if the last game of the season the referee would have absolutely no power to halt the game, or stop it being played out as a non-event.
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Re: Gillingham v Leyton Orient - Carl Brook
« Reply #10 on: Wed 19 Apr 2023 18:54 »
The worst refereeing performance I have ever seen, bar none.


Clearly you never had the privilege of watching one of my matches then
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Re: Gillingham v Leyton Orient - Carl Brook
« Reply #11 on: Wed 19 Apr 2023 18:56 »
Anyone remember this one from 1977?



The game at Coventry kicked off late due to crowd congestion. Sunderland were playing the same night and their defeat meant if Coventry v Bristol City finished a draw both teams would stay in Division One. Jimmy Hill was Coventry chairman and had the Sunderland result announced over the PA. The last fifteen minutes at Highfield Road became a friendly kickabout.

The referee was Ron Challis, btw.


Indeed I do and it's good to see mention of the late and great Ron Challis who was such a guide to me when I took up the whistle.
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Re: Gillingham v Leyton Orient - Carl Brook
« Reply #12 on: Wed 19 Apr 2023 19:00 »
I think what RCG is suggesting is that other games should be halted so that the situation of a team knowing they are safe/have been promoted etc because of one game being delayed is less likely to happen - so for instance last night the games involving Bradford etc. would have been halted too.

But I'm not convinced it would be practical in reality. They presumably wouldn't know for certain how long it would take to resume the match for something like floodlight failure or even if they'd be able to do so. I'm not sure it would be viable to ring around potentially a few different games and ask them all to stop for half an hour or so whilst a decision is made on the affected game.

When Man Utd V Bournemouth was initially delayed and then postponed on final day of season in 2016, Swansea V Man City still went ahead as planned - both City and United were competing for 4th.

And of course you could get a situations where a team basically knows they are safe/promoted if there's a particular result even if one game hasn't been delayed - e.g. if another game is 5-0. It's just one of those things that can sometimes happen and there's not a lot you can really do to stop it. You just need to try and win more games to avoid being in that position if you're detrimentally affected!

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Re: Gillingham v Leyton Orient - Carl Brook
« Reply #13 on: Wed 19 Apr 2023 19:18 »
I think what RCG is suggesting is that other games should be halted so that the situation of a team knowing they are safe/have been promoted etc because of one game being delayed is less likely to happen - so for instance last night the games involving Bradford etc. would have been halted too.

But I'm not convinced it would be practical in reality. They presumably wouldn't know for certain how long it would take to resume the match for something like floodlight failure or even if they'd be able to do so. I'm not sure it would be viable to ring around potentially a few different games and ask them all to stop for half an hour or so whilst a decision is made on the affected game.

When Man Utd V Bournemouth was initially delayed and then postponed on final day of season in 2016, Swansea V Man City still went ahead as planned - both City and United were competing for 4th.

And of course you could get a situations where a team basically knows they are safe/promoted if there's a particular result even if one game hasn't been delayed - e.g. if another game is 5-0. It's just one of those things that can sometimes happen and there's not a lot you can really do to stop it. You just need to try and win more games to avoid being in that position if you're detrimentally affected!
If it had been in the championship this week some games were played last night and some tonight, as said unless it the last day of the season you cant halt all games. I think it isnt sensible even on the last day as a team in the game(s) stopped may lose momentum in waiting for the other game to be able to resume. Synchronising start times of the second halves is the only option assuming all games kicked off at the same time. Keeping fans in stadiums waiting for other games to catch up isnt sensible in my opinion nor is helpful for players who may pick up injuries whilst the game at a standstill.
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Re: Gillingham v Leyton Orient - Carl Brook
« Reply #14 on: Thu 20 Apr 2023 10:00 »
An unfortuate situation, but as pthers have said not one that officials can take any action on, and as not the last game of the season not sure that they should.

Going back into the past I remember back in 2008 Man U and Chelsea on the last day both going for the title, John Terry got a head injury in the first half so long delay, so at Wigan v Man U they had a 25 minute half time - due to somthing happenign 100 miles away -  so both matches kicked off second half at same time
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