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GIL MANZANO - England v Denmark
« on: Wed 14 Oct 2020 21:50 »
A performance of absolute garbage.... from England.

As for Manzano, very typical of Spanish referees, inconsistent and too quick to the cards.

Yes Maguire deserved to go, and if James has spoken out of turn at the end then he should be ashamed.

Penalty was a joke, and some Danish challenges were more severe than what was carded for England.

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Re: GIL MANZANO - England v Denmark
« Reply #1 on: Wed 14 Oct 2020 22:00 »
A performance of absolute garbage.... from England.

As for Manzano, very typical of Spanish referees, inconsistent and too quick to the cards.

Yes Maguire deserved to go, and if James has spoken out of turn at the end then he should be ashamed.

Penalty was a joke, and some Danish challenges were more severe than what was carded for England.

That just about describes where the modern game is headed. It gets worse week by week!
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Re: GIL MANZANO - England v Denmark
« Reply #2 on: Wed 14 Oct 2020 22:55 »
Thought he was poor in general

Tbf I think maguire was lucky not to go for the first tackle! Penalty for Denmark one of the worst I’ve seen at international level. Very random foul detection. - as you say some tackles from England I thought were hard but fair were penalised but not the same when a Denmark played did the similar.
Agree re James.

Southgate must be the most deluded manager ever if he thinks that was a performance of excellence- never have i seen such drivel from an England side but I suppose that’s what you get for picking defensive players and NO creative ones. Manzano- who I believe is new to the elite group - wasn’t excellent either!
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Re: GIL MANZANO - England v Denmark
« Reply #3 on: Wed 14 Oct 2020 23:12 »
A very poor performance from the official tonight. I have watched alot of European football in the last few days and there have been several poor shows from the referees.
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Re: GIL MANZANO - England v Denmark
« Reply #4 on: Thu 15 Oct 2020 13:14 »
I’m puzzled by the disagree ratings on here...

Would you care to elaborate on why you think such a rating is justified?
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Re: GIL MANZANO - England v Denmark
« Reply #5 on: Thu 15 Oct 2020 17:27 »
I’m puzzled by the disagree ratings on here...

Would you care to elaborate on why you think such a rating is justified?

Quite simply and obviously, I disagree with the majority of what has been said. If I must elaborate and justify my opinion (which is merely that, of course), Maguire deserved both of his cautions, the penalty kick award was a foul (again, in my opinion) and from the highlights I saw, I felt that the Referee did little, if anything, wrong. QED.
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Re: GIL MANZANO - England v Denmark
« Reply #6 on: Thu 15 Oct 2020 18:35 »
I don't think anyone has criticised the Maguire cautions except to suggest the first could have been red.  As for the penalty, I'm still trying to work out what he saw that warranted it.

Haven't watched much of the game but I certainly noted one Danish challenge that I felt should have been sanctioned with a YC. Also, you can base opinions on general management of a game and interaction with the players as well as specific incidents.
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Re: GIL MANZANO - England v Denmark
« Reply #7 on: Thu 15 Oct 2020 20:40 »
Maguire deserved both Cautions, the first was more orange as well.
It is an assumption that James deserved to be Red Carded.
Kyle Walker kicked the Dane, DFK anywhere else on the FoP, did it have to be more of a kick because it was in the penalty area?
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Re: GIL MANZANO - England v Denmark
« Reply #8 on: Fri 16 Oct 2020 01:52 »

It is an assumption that James deserved to be Red Carded.


He himself has said he deserved it, has taken the responsibility for it & has apologised to everyone for letting himself, the team & the fans down.
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Re: GIL MANZANO - England v Denmark
« Reply #9 on: Fri 16 Oct 2020 02:23 »
A performance of absolute garbage.... from England.

As for Manzano, very typical of Spanish referees, inconsistent and too quick to the cards.

Yes Maguire deserved to go, and if James has spoken out of turn at the end then he should be ashamed.

Penalty was a joke, and some Danish challenges were more severe than what was carded for England.

I agree with much of what you say there.  However, I can see why the penalty was given.  There was clear foot-to-foot contact from Walker.  I think it is a joke that penalties are given for incidents such as that, but it seems that's how the game has developed. 

The game at top level has a serious problem now, since we are seeing penalties given for the least bit of contact, much of the time having been played for by attacking players.  I seriously believe that the game is becoming so sterile that coaches are simply encouraging players to manufacture set piece free kicks and penalties at any opportunity as they are less and less likely to score any other way.  The England-Denmark match was the latest international that was tedious to the point of being unwatchable.  One pundit advocated picking Grealish because he gets fouled (or at least falls over) a lot.

I despair for the game generally because of these attitudes.  I saw a bit of the post-match discussion after the England-Belgium game where Ashley Cole started going on about how a player can feel a bit of contact in the penalty area so 'has to go down'.  I switched off at that point. What a situation!  Advocating diving, conning the referee, cheating....call it what you like but it stinks!   Suffice to say that I no longer pay to go and watch football, I've seen enough.
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Re: GIL MANZANO - England v Denmark
« Reply #10 on: Fri 16 Oct 2020 07:04 »
A performance of absolute garbage.... from England.

As for Manzano, very typical of Spanish referees, inconsistent and too quick to the cards.

Yes Maguire deserved to go, and if James has spoken out of turn at the end then he should be ashamed.

Penalty was a joke, and some Danish challenges were more severe than what was carded for England.


Agree.  The object of the game appears to be morphing from "score more goals than the opposing team" into "creating fouls and conning officials into giving penalties and red cards".
I agree with much of what you say there.  However, I can see why the penalty was given.  There was clear foot-to-foot contact from Walker.  I think it is a joke that penalties are given for incidents such as that, but it seems that's how the game has developed. 

The game at top level has a serious problem now, since we are seeing penalties given for the least bit of contact, much of the time having been played for by attacking players.  I seriously believe that the game is becoming so sterile that coaches are simply encouraging players to manufacture set piece free kicks and penalties at any opportunity as they are less and less likely to score any other way.  The England-Denmark match was the latest international that was tedious to the point of being unwatchable.  One pundit advocated picking Grealish because he gets fouled (or at least falls over) a lot.

I despair for the game generally because of these attitudes.  I saw a bit of the post-match discussion after the England-Belgium game where Ashley Cole started going on about how a player can feel a bit of contact in the penalty area so 'has to go down'.  I switched off at that point. What a situation!  Advocating diving, conning the referee, cheating....call it what you like but it stinks!   Suffice to say that I no longer pay to go and watch football, I've seen enough.
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Re: GIL MANZANO - England v Denmark
« Reply #11 on: Fri 16 Oct 2020 08:29 »
A performance of absolute garbage.... from England.

As for Manzano, very typical of Spanish referees, inconsistent and too quick to the cards.

Yes Maguire deserved to go, and if James has spoken out of turn at the end then he should be ashamed.

Penalty was a joke, and some Danish challenges were more severe than what was carded for England.

I agree with much of what you say there.  However, I can see why the penalty was given.  There was clear foot-to-foot contact from Walker.  I think it is a joke that penalties are given for incidents such as that, but it seems that's how the game has developed. 

The game at top level has a serious problem now, since we are seeing penalties given for the least bit of contact, much of the time having been played for by attacking players.  I seriously believe that the game is becoming so sterile that coaches are simply encouraging players to manufacture set piece free kicks and penalties at any opportunity as they are less and less likely to score any other way.  The England-Denmark match was the latest international that was tedious to the point of being unwatchable.  One pundit advocated picking Grealish because he gets fouled (or at least falls over) a lot.

I despair for the game generally because of these attitudes.  I saw a bit of the post-match discussion after the England-Belgium game where Ashley Cole started going on about how a player can feel a bit of contact in the penalty area so 'has to go down'.  I switched off at that point. What a situation!  Advocating diving, conning the referee, cheating....call it what you like but it stinks!   Suffice to say that I no longer pay to go and watch football, I've seen enough.

👏👏 One of the best posts on RTR in recent months in my opinion. I too despair where our once beloved game is heading.
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Re: GIL MANZANO - England v Denmark
« Reply #12 on: Fri 16 Oct 2020 09:18 »
A performance of absolute garbage.... from England.

As for Manzano, very typical of Spanish referees, inconsistent and too quick to the cards.

Yes Maguire deserved to go, and if James has spoken out of turn at the end then he should be ashamed.

Penalty was a joke, and some Danish challenges were more severe than what was carded for England.

I agree with much of what you say there.  However, I can see why the penalty was given.  There was clear foot-to-foot contact from Walker.  I think it is a joke that penalties are given for incidents such as that, but it seems that's how the game has developed. 

The game at top level has a serious problem now, since we are seeing penalties given for the least bit of contact, much of the time having been played for by attacking players.  I seriously believe that the game is becoming so sterile that coaches are simply encouraging players to manufacture set piece free kicks and penalties at any opportunity as they are less and less likely to score any other way.  The England-Denmark match was the latest international that was tedious to the point of being unwatchable.  One pundit advocated picking Grealish because he gets fouled (or at least falls over) a lot.

I despair for the game generally because of these attitudes.  I saw a bit of the post-match discussion after the England-Belgium game where Ashley Cole started going on about how a player can feel a bit of contact in the penalty area so 'has to go down'.  I switched off at that point. What a situation!  Advocating diving, conning the referee, cheating....call it what you like but it stinks!   Suffice to say that I no longer pay to go and watch football, I've seen enough.

👏👏 One of the best posts on RTR in recent months in my opinion. I too despair where our once beloved game is heading.

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Re: GIL MANZANO - England v Denmark
« Reply #13 on: Fri 16 Oct 2020 12:54 »
A performance of absolute garbage.... from England.

As for Manzano, very typical of Spanish referees, inconsistent and too quick to the cards.

Yes Maguire deserved to go, and if James has spoken out of turn at the end then he should be ashamed.

Penalty was a joke, and some Danish challenges were more severe than what was carded for England.

I agree with much of what you say there.  However, I can see why the penalty was given.  There was clear foot-to-foot contact from Walker.  I think it is a joke that penalties are given for incidents such as that, but it seems that's how the game has developed. 

The game at top level has a serious problem now, since we are seeing penalties given for the least bit of contact, much of the time having been played for by attacking players.  I seriously believe that the game is becoming so sterile that coaches are simply encouraging players to manufacture set piece free kicks and penalties at any opportunity as they are less and less likely to score any other way.  The England-Denmark match was the latest international that was tedious to the point of being unwatchable.  One pundit advocated picking Grealish because he gets fouled (or at least falls over) a lot.

I despair for the game generally because of these attitudes.  I saw a bit of the post-match discussion after the England-Belgium game where Ashley Cole started going on about how a player can feel a bit of contact in the penalty area so 'has to go down'.  I switched off at that point. What a situation!  Advocating diving, conning the referee, cheating....call it what you like but it stinks!   Suffice to say that I no longer pay to go and watch football, I've seen enough.

👏👏 One of the best posts on RTR in recent months in my opinion. I too despair where our once beloved game is heading.

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Re: GIL MANZANO - England v Denmark
« Reply #14 on: Fri 16 Oct 2020 14:35 »

All I ever hear is that I am getting old...

We're not getting old hun, we're just maturing like a good whiskey! ;)
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