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G Scott - Leicester vs Aston Villa
« on: Tue 04 Apr 2023 22:27 »
I was looking forward to having Scott in charge, recently he has been a safe pair of hands.

Alas today was a thoroughly inept performance.

Foul detection was random at best. Missed cautions for Ramsey (5 first half fouls), Moreno and Young (for a foul which could have been argued was SFP - studs into the ankle of Barnes).

Correct caution for Castagne for making the ‘card’ gesture, however then forgot to caution Moreno for the actual foul!

First caution for Dewsbury-Hall correct, the second caution was a baffling decision. Gave himself no time to think and made a rash call.

Caution for Faes correct.

Then the worst of it in additional time. Firstly, he blew his whistle following a 50:50 challenge between a Leicester player and Villa player, then just stood and did nothing, no signal. To make matters worse, he then gave the decision to Villa only to be overruled by AR1!

After clearly losing complete control of the game, he gave a penalty to Leicester shortly after this incident. Not a clue what he saw here and thankfully was overturned by VAR.

Sad to see, but completely out of his depth today.

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Re: G Scott - Leicester vs Aston Villa
« Reply #1 on: Tue 04 Apr 2023 22:29 »
I was looking forward to having Scott in charge, recently he has been a safe pair of hands.

Alas today was a thoroughly inept performance.

Foul detection was random at best. Missed cautions for Ramsey (5 first half fouls), Moreno and Young (for a foul which could have been argued was SFP - studs into the ankle of Barnes).

Correct caution for Castagne for making the ‘card’ gesture, however then forgot to caution Moreno for the actual foul!

First caution for Dewsbury-Hall correct, the second caution was a baffling decision. Gave himself no time to think and made a rash call.

Caution for Faes correct.

Then the worst of it in additional time. Firstly, he blew his whistle following a 50:50 challenge between a Leicester player and Villa player, then just stood and did nothing, no signal. To make matters worse, he then gave the decision to Villa only to be overruled by AR1!

After clearly losing complete control of the game, he gave a penalty to Leicester shortly after this incident. Not a clue what he saw here and thankfully was overturned by VAR.

Sad to see, but completely out of his depth today.

Oh no. Sad to hear. Unfortunately he's not in favour and if he's not going to retire then maybe a demotion is best. His recent high profile 4O appts tell me he may be on his farewell tour :(

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« Reply #2 on: Tue 04 Apr 2023 22:36 »
Scott was an ok referee 5 years ago. He is very lucky to still be SG1. He is just poor.

He is a lot fitter than Lee Mason, Mike Dean and John Moss but he is no longer able to keep up. Correct on the two yellows and a red but it looked like he only gave them after Ashley Young protested.

The penalty call was just a dreadful guess. He got caught flat footed and then had zero viewing angle. He just guessed, it was a stinker. And some people want VAR gone!
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« Reply #3 on: Tue 04 Apr 2023 22:37 »
I was looking forward to having Scott in charge, recently he has been a safe pair of hands.

Alas today was a thoroughly inept performance.

Foul detection was random at best. Missed cautions for Ramsey (5 first half fouls), Moreno and Young (for a foul which could have been argued was SFP - studs into the ankle of Barnes).

Correct caution for Castagne for making the ‘card’ gesture, however then forgot to caution Moreno for the actual foul!

First caution for Dewsbury-Hall correct, the second caution was a baffling decision. Gave himself no time to think and made a rash call.

Caution for Faes correct.

Then the worst of it in additional time. Firstly, he blew his whistle following a 50:50 challenge between a Leicester player and Villa player, then just stood and did nothing, no signal. To make matters worse, he then gave the decision to Villa only to be overruled by AR1!

After clearly losing complete control of the game, he gave a penalty to Leicester shortly after this incident. Not a clue what he saw here and thankfully was overturned by VAR.

Sad to see, but completely out of his depth today.

Oh no. Sad to hear. Unfortunately he's not in favour and if he's not going to retire then maybe a demotion is best. His recent high profile 4O appts tell me he may be on his farewell tour :(

Very unfortunate, I actually think he’s gone under the radar for the past 18 months as a more than capable referee. But today reminded me of Lee Mason in his final few games before retirement.

He’s clearly overthinking every decision and he had no match control at all today.
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Re: G Scott - Leicester vs Aston Villa
« Reply #4 on: Tue 04 Apr 2023 23:07 »
I was looking forward to having Scott in charge, recently he has been a safe pair of hands.

Alas today was a thoroughly inept performance.

Foul detection was random at best. Missed cautions for Ramsey (5 first half fouls), Moreno and Young (for a foul which could have been argued was SFP - studs into the ankle of Barnes).

Correct caution for Castagne for making the ‘card’ gesture, however then forgot to caution Moreno for the actual foul!

First caution for Dewsbury-Hall correct, the second caution was a baffling decision. Gave himself no time to think and made a rash call.

Caution for Faes correct.

Then the worst of it in additional time. Firstly, he blew his whistle following a 50:50 challenge between a Leicester player and Villa player, then just stood and did nothing, no signal. To make matters worse, he then gave the decision to Villa only to be overruled by AR1!

After clearly losing complete control of the game, he gave a penalty to Leicester shortly after this incident. Not a clue what he saw here and thankfully was overturned by VAR.

Sad to see, but completely out of his depth today.
First of all i wouldnt say i have seen all the game or all the incidents you refer to.
If you were to look at his match appointments (or the amount he receives in the premier league) over the last few seasons it may give a perception.
The last time i saw him live was when villa lost to stevenage in the fa cup third round and i thought he had a reasonably good game.
Does committing 5 fouls in a half of a game warrant a yellow card for persistent infringement i would say it depends on what the fouls were and how the game was being managed.
With ref to you saying a foul by young was possible sfp, then var would have checked that, not that they can recommend a yellow card.
Cautioning for waving the imaginery card is applauded, perhaps he didnt intend to caution Moreno so couldnt have forgotten to (the way games are managed nowadays i am not sure what is a cautionable offence).
First caution of Dewsbury Hall i would agree was correct and i can see why the second caution was issued fairly quickly, it wasnt a good challenge to make already on a yellow card especially when he was about to be substituted.

I can see why Scott from his position thought a penalty kick should be awarded to Leicester for handball against Watkins, the var was correct to ask Scott to review and see other angles which showed Daka fouled Watkins before he handled.
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« Reply #5 on: Tue 04 Apr 2023 23:28 »
I think PGMOL are eager to get rid of Scott at the end of the season
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« Reply #6 on: Wed 05 Apr 2023 00:01 »
I was looking forward to having Scott in charge, recently he has been a safe pair of hands.

Alas today was a thoroughly inept performance.

Foul detection was random at best. Missed cautions for Ramsey (5 first half fouls), Moreno and Young (for a foul which could have been argued was SFP - studs into the ankle of Barnes).

Correct caution for Castagne for making the ‘card’ gesture, however then forgot to caution Moreno for the actual foul!

First caution for Dewsbury-Hall correct, the second caution was a baffling decision. Gave himself no time to think and made a rash call.

Caution for Faes correct.

Then the worst of it in additional time. Firstly, he blew his whistle following a 50:50 challenge between a Leicester player and Villa player, then just stood and did nothing, no signal. To make matters worse, he then gave the decision to Villa only to be overruled by AR1!

After clearly losing complete control of the game, he gave a penalty to Leicester shortly after this incident. Not a clue what he saw here and thankfully was overturned by VAR.

Sad to see, but completely out of his depth today.
First of all i wouldnt say i have seen all the game or all the incidents you refer to.
If you were to look at his match appointments (or the amount he receives in the premier league) over the last few seasons it may give a perception.
The last time i saw him live was when villa lost to stevenage in the fa cup third round and i thought he had a reasonably good game.
Does committing 5 fouls in a half of a game warrant a yellow card for persistent infringement i would say it depends on what the fouls were and how the game was being managed.
With ref to you saying a foul by young was possible sfp, then var would have checked that, not that they can recommend a yellow card.
Cautioning for waving the imaginery card is applauded, perhaps he didnt intend to caution Moreno so couldnt have forgotten to (the way games are managed nowadays i am not sure what is a cautionable offence).
First caution of Dewsbury Hall i would agree was correct and i can see why the second caution was issued fairly quickly, it wasnt a good challenge to make already on a yellow card especially when he was about to be substituted.

I can see why Scott from his position thought a penalty kick should be awarded to Leicester for handball against Watkins, the var was correct to ask Scott to review and see other angles which showed Daka fouled Watkins before he handled.

Agree with your point re 5 fouls equalling a caution is always subjective. Over a whole game I think it’s manageable, in one half for me it should be a caution. 3 would be a little word in the ear, 4 a final warning. i do accept that this is a matter of opinion.

I would assume the Young foul was checked, I’m not saying it was SFP, just that it may have been perceived that way due to the nature of the challenge. It was the classic, misplaced pass so trying to make amends situation. Certainly should have been a caution.

Waving the imaginary card is a real pet hate of mine and should always be a caution. The foul which led to it certainly should have been a caution too, late and reckless. My thinking is that Mr Scott chose to make a point about the card waving, rather than punish the initial foul.

The second challenge made by Dewsbury-Hall was by no means wise. However, given the precedent set by Mr Scott throughout the game, this wasn’t even close to being worthy of a second caution.

In terms of the penalty, I believe he gave it for a ‘foul’ by Watkins on Daka rather than a handball. I would have thought had it been given for handball, Watkins would have received a red card rather than a yellow, which I assumed was for DOGSO with intent to play the ball. I may be wrong though.

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Re: G Scott - Leicester vs Aston Villa
« Reply #7 on: Wed 05 Apr 2023 11:59 »
Can't help but feel Scott got a bit suckered in by Young and McGinn's reaction to the second foul by Dewsbury-Hall, making it look a lot worse than it actually was. Not sure if he McGinn might've blocked his view right at the last second too but of course it's up to him to position himself appropriately.

On the penalty incident, far too passive with his positioning for me. As soon as that ball was chipped into the box I'd be expecting him to follow it in and get wider, but he's awfully static and barely in the camera shot when the incident happens. God knows what he thought he saw.


On a personal note, I've had the pleasure of meeting him a couple of times in the last few years at various BBFA/RA events and found him to be very engaging, personable and always good to listen to, so if this is to be his last season on the list I wish him well for whatever he does next.


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« Reply #8 on: Wed 05 Apr 2023 13:13 »
On a personal note, I've had the pleasure of meeting him a couple of times in the last few years at various BBFA/RA events and found him to be very engaging, personable and always good to listen to, so if this is to be his last season on the list I wish him well for whatever he does next.

I didn't see the game so can't comment on that but I wholeheartedly agree with this. Met him a few times and he's a lovely, thoroughly pleasant guy. I think he would make a very good mentor in his post active refereeing days, he has the right personality for it.
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« Reply #9 on: Wed 05 Apr 2023 13:17 »
I believe he has a background in journalism. Might he be someone who could lead for PGMOL on press and PR?
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« Reply #10 on: Wed 05 Apr 2023 14:19 »
I believe he has a background in journalism. Might he be someone who could lead for PGMOL on press and PR?

I thought he worked for the NHS but if that's the case yes agree.
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« Reply #11 on: Wed 05 Apr 2023 14:30 »
I took have had the pleasure of meeting Graham and he is a delightful, courteous and articulate fellow. I believe he was involved in editing publications connected with the NHS
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« Reply #12 on: Thu 06 Apr 2023 09:03 »
Was Graham not a writer or editor for the Nursing Standard before he was promoted to SG1

Edit: yes he was

https://rcni.com/nursing-standard/opinion/editorial/best-pay-offer-nhs-nurses-can-hope-yes-probably-132351
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« Reply #13 on: Thu 06 Apr 2023 11:49 »
Was Graham not a writer or editor for the Nursing Standard before he was promoted to SG1

Edit: yes he was

https://rcni.com/nursing-standard/opinion/editorial/best-pay-offer-nhs-nurses-can-hope-yes-probably-132351

Probably why I have it in my head he worked for the NHS!
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« Reply #14 on: Thu 06 Apr 2023 17:10 »
Was Graham not a writer or editor for the Nursing Standard before he was promoted to SG1

Edit: yes he was

https://rcni.com/nursing-standard/opinion/editorial/best-pay-offer-nhs-nurses-can-hope-yes-probably-132351

And after he was promoted as well.  That article is from 2018, he was promoted to SG1 in 2015.