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Re: Fifa 2022 World Cup
« Reply #15 on: Fri 31 Dec 2021 10:17 »
I've never been a fan of Clement Turpin but who am I to argue with everyone else on this thread?!


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Re: Fifa 2022 World Cup
« Reply #16 on: Fri 31 Dec 2021 10:59 »
It’s none of our opinions that matter, it’s only Collina and Rossetti’s opinions that matter at the end of the day. I’d certainly not presume to know more than either of them!!
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Re: Fifa 2022 World Cup
« Reply #17 on: Fri 31 Dec 2021 11:23 »
It’s none of our opinions that matter, it’s only Collina and Rossetti’s opinions that matter at the end of the day. I’d certainly not presume to know more than either of them!!


Neither would I presume. However that does not obviate the sense that objective knowledge is not the  sole criterion in these appointments. Just as we do on RTR, Collina and Rossetti ( in passing I merely wonder at the wisdom of having both such titanic referee management posts held by fellow countrymen but I hear the argument ' if they are the best for the job ' even if I am not entirely convinced by it ) will have their own personal preferences which will be based on style and " mirror image ". So and so reminds me of how I used to do things so I will favour them, all probably unconsciously.

You see this in many professions and it only becomes pernicious when the one bestowing patronage starts overlooking the errors of their protege. Not that I am suggesting this happens in senior refereeing appointments though others, more informed than I, have suggested that it does on occasions at all levels.


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Re: Fifa 2022 World Cup
« Reply #18 on: Sat 01 Jan 2022 03:27 »
I agree that our opinions do not count, but it is fun to speculate. Here are my 10
Oliver
Taylor
Turpin
Siebert
Orsato
Makkelie
Hategin
Mateu Lahoz
Cakir
Kaseryov.

Del Cerro Grande and Vinci are my two reserves.

I think 10 referees from UEFA is not enough and i would expect more when FIFA pick them.
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Re: Fifa 2022 World Cup
« Reply #19 on: Sat 01 Jan 2022 08:30 »
Here's the 10 I think will go:

Oliver
Turpin
Siebert
Makkelle
Orsato
Vinci
Karasev
Hategan
Del Cerro Grande
Marciniak

I think Cakir will just miss out. I think Spain's representative is hardest to predict. Unlike many it seems, I've always thought Oliver was the favourite for WC although obviously perfectly possible Taylor goes instead. I think it's very unlikely any UEFA country would have two referees, although interesting to think how it will work come 2026 and the expanded format.

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Re: Fifa 2022 World Cup
« Reply #20 on: Sat 01 Jan 2022 14:31 »
It's a tough call between Oliver & Taylor. Both are very good refs & it depends who is in charge & who they prefer. Both deserve to go, but I don't think they will as it'll be one ref per country. I think all the major UEFA nations will have one ref & there will be some politics involved: Here's my list:
Taylor
Siebert
Orsato
Turpin
Del Cerro Grande
Makkelie
Karasev
Vincic
Soares Dias
Hategan



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Re: Fifa 2022 World Cup
« Reply #21 on: Mon 07 Mar 2022 08:00 »
Will Karasyov's prospects be affected by current events?

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Re: Fifa 2022 World Cup
« Reply #22 on: Mon 07 Mar 2022 08:02 »
Will Karasyov's prospects be affected by current events?

I was asking myself the very same question. I honestly think there is no way they can't be.

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Re: Fifa 2022 World Cup
« Reply #23 on: Mon 07 Mar 2022 15:25 »
Will Karasyov's prospects be affected by current events?

I was asking myself the very same question. I honestly think there is no way they can't be.

I'm sure we all hope that peace will have been restored by then but I suspect he will fall under the same sanctions as the team/gymnasts/athletes etc.

Without trivialising the atrocities currently ongoing in Ukraine, it's a shame for him as he has been in amazing form. He's coming up 43 so probably his last shot at a WC. I wonder if he will chose to retire early?
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Re: Fifa 2022 World Cup
« Reply #24 on: Wed 09 Mar 2022 09:09 »
I was going to suggest Cakir might have a better chance if Karasyov didn't go (Cakir just missed out on my initial guess) but now it looks like both might be unlikely. I'd guess Soares Dias might be next in line, although I'm not fully convinced by him.

I know we said it wouldn't happen, and I still think it's very unlikely, but I wonder if there's any chance of a UEFA country like England having two referees go? Normally I wouldn't really advocate such an approach as I think generally there's been plenty of depth across UEFA and the concept of a 'world' cup should be respected. But I think the UEFA list could be starting to lack a bit of depth if Cakir and Karasyov weren't selected and at least 10 are chosen. There's a few names on the list who really lack experience or who have never really had even knockout stage CL appointments. I feel Taylor and Oliver would both quite comfortably be in the top 10 best referees in Europe if the list does get cut down by a few.

It doesn't sound like Lahoz especially covered himself in glory last night, although none of the Spanish referees really seem to be doing that. When was the last time a Spanish referee really excelled at a major tournament? I don't think a Spanish ref has had a knockout stage game at last World Cup or Euros, and I remember the opening game at Euro 2012 and Germany V Serbia in 2010.

Have FIFA published any details of which referees are on their shortlist from outside UEFA?

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Re: Fifa 2022 World Cup
« Reply #25 on: Wed 09 Mar 2022 09:38 »
It was reported that, had England not made the final of the Euros Anthony and his team would have been appointed.

After the QFs four teams of officials were retained, AT's being one of them
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Re: Fifa 2022 World Cup
« Reply #26 on: Wed 09 Mar 2022 10:39 »
It was reported that, had England not made the final of the Euros Anthony and his team would have been appointed.

After the QFs four teams of officials were retained, AT's being one of them

Thats why i see Taylor doing the next UCL final with no English teams involved


My 10 are

Taylor
Orsarto
Makkelie
Turpin
Vicinic
Soares Dias
Siebert
Marciniak
Hategen
Lahoz/Manzano(I prefer)

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Re: Fifa 2022 World Cup
« Reply #27 on: Wed 09 Mar 2022 13:53 »
If a couple more of the presumed top 10 could just drop out for whatever reasons, I'd not complain.  The shorter the list, the more chance my boy will be going...
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Re: Fifa 2022 World Cup
« Reply #28 on: Wed 09 Mar 2022 19:45 »
I was going to suggest Cakir might have a better chance if Karasyov didn't go (Cakir just missed out on my initial guess) but now it looks like both might be unlikely. I'd guess Soares Dias might be next in line, although I'm not fully convinced by him.

I know we said it wouldn't happen, and I still think it's very unlikely, but I wonder if there's any chance of a UEFA country like England having two referees go? Normally I wouldn't really advocate such an approach as I think generally there's been plenty of depth across UEFA and the concept of a 'world' cup should be respected. But I think the UEFA list could be starting to lack a bit of depth if Cakir and Karasyov weren't selected and at least 10 are chosen. There's a few names on the list who really lack experience or who have never really had even knockout stage CL appointments. I feel Taylor and Oliver would both quite comfortably be in the top 10 best referees in Europe if the list does get cut down by a few.

It doesn't sound like Lahoz especially covered himself in glory last night, although none of the Spanish referees really seem to be doing that. When was the last time a Spanish referee really excelled at a major tournament? I don't think a Spanish ref has had a knockout stage game at last World Cup or Euros, and I remember the opening game at Euro 2012 and Germany V Serbia in 2010.

Have FIFA published any details of which referees are on their shortlist from outside UEFA?

I do agree. From a Scottish perspective (if that at all matters), both Taylor and Oliver regularly impress.  VAR vagaries in England aside (that seem to be skewering everyone), they always seem to be both a safe pair of hands, and lacking in the overtures that make some other officials more marmite.
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Re: Fifa 2022 World Cup
« Reply #29 on: Fri 11 Mar 2022 10:19 »
I've found a list of the South America referees who attended a FIFA seminar in February - http://refereeingworld.blogspot.com/2022/02/fifa-world-cup-2022-prospective.html

I think the Argentine ref at the top of the list went to Euros but am not too familiar with any other names - could any RTR members have a guess at some names likely to go to WC?