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The Football Association is to proceed with a plan to use VAR at only nine of 32 FA Cup third-round fixtures, believing the benefits of using the technology outweigh inconsistency in the way ties could be decided.

Only matches played at Premier League grounds will have video refereeing because the FA Cup is not licensed to use VAR across all its fixtures. This means that West Bromwich Albion’s tie against Brighton on Saturday will not use the technology despite it being installed at the Hawthorns and there will not be uniformity in the refereeing.

The FA Cup has used VAR since 2018, when it became the first competition in England to implement it as part of a trial. The FA has never applied for a full licence to use the technology, however, which must be agreed with the football lawmaking body Ifab.

Last season VAR was used only at ties where Premier League clubs were at home up to the quarter-finals, where all matches were then licensed. The FA has not yet taken a decision on whether to license later rounds this season.

The FA is aware of questions over a potential imbalance in sporting standards but is reluctant to increase the running costs of the tournament, with clubs not licensed having to install the necessary minimum of four cameras and costs having to be covered to operate them and hire the necessary officials.

“Video assistant referees provide match officials with additional support and should be utilised wherever possible,” the FA said. “However, only Premier League stadiums are currently licensed to use VAR due to the infrastructure, workforce and costs that are required.”

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/jan/06/fa-cup-defends-var-nine-of-32-third-round-ties

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Don’t the broadcasters install their cameras at every game for highlights purposes? Why can they be used for VAR. Not a great way to do it honestly but would be better than none at all
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Don’t the broadcasters install their cameras at every game for highlights purposes? Why can they be used for VAR. Not a great way to do it honestly but would be better than none at all
Championship games are covered by four cameras.  League One and Two games are generally covered by just one camera.  The amount of cameras at FA Cup games will be determined by the broadcasters' requirements (and budgets).  There is the problem of where you would house all the VARs (and where you would find all the trained officials) for so many concurrent games.  Drawing the offside lines would be a significant problem.
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It isn't just cameras and VAR officials, you need a leased network line from the ground back to Stockley Park, you can't run VAR over a broadband connection.  Lead times for such lines with UK telco providers can be as long as 3 months.  Think of it being at home when you are on a work meeting and your kids watching Netflix disconnects you ...!

I don't see the problem of some ties having VAR when others don't.  It only affects the two teams in that game, and there has been an inconsistency for years anyway as some FA Cup games have goal line technology and others don't.
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I don't really agree with it being used for some and not others. Either use it for all or don't use it. It only takes 1 game where a poor decision changes the course of a match and the unfairness is highlighted. I don't agree with the notion well it's been inconsistent for years anyway so what does it matter - inconsistency due to human fallacy is one thing, providing a technological advantage is entirely different. Using mobile VAR units at grounds that don't have GLT would also stop that technological advantage because VAR can be used for ball over the line or not queries.

As for housing all the VARs, I have said before that the FA should buy some of the mobile VAR vans. No need for the leased network line at clubs as the vans have a secure network that can be plugged in at whatever ground they are at - a more minor adaptation for clubs. They need a docking area, large enough for a long wheelbase transit and the panel is similar in appearance to what you'd see in a campsite for an RV to hook up to water/electricity. A few meters of hefty cables needed.

Can't be done for this season obviously but if the FA used a bit of foresight (I know, I know...) they could start preparing for next season!
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I don't really agree with it being used for some and not others. Either use it for all or don't use it. It only takes 1 game where a poor decision changes the course of a match and the unfairness is highlighted. I don't agree with the notion well it's been inconsistent for years anyway so what does it matter - inconsistency due to human fallacy is one thing, providing a technological advantage is entirely different. Using mobile VAR units at grounds that don't have GLT would also stop that technological advantage because VAR can be used for ball over the line or not queries.

As for housing all the VARs, I have said before that the FA should buy some of the mobile VAR vans. No need for the leased network line at clubs as the vans have a secure network that can be plugged in at whatever ground they are at - a more minor adaptation for clubs. They need a docking area, large enough for a long wheelbase transit and the panel is similar in appearance to what you'd see in a campsite for an RV to hook up to water/electricity. A few meters of hefty cables needed.

Can't be done for this season obviously but if the FA used a bit of foresight (I know, I know...) they could start preparing for next season!

They clearly can't do all FA Cup games using VAR so if going down the all or nothing route then it would be nothing. I wouldn't agree with that - do we want a Thierry Henry type handball to occur in the last minute of the FA Cup final and not be spotted because we don't have VAR?

I'd agree it would be worthwhile looking into ways in which the use of VAR could be enhanced, such as using mobile units, although I appreciate the restraints on resources the FA faces and there's probably a reasonable question as to whether the money could be better spent elsewhere.

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That's kind of my point.  What do you do if you end up with a Championship club in the final, which has happened, and then you get a total clanger by the officials?

Also, some grounds you wouldn't even be able to get a mobile VAR unit.  Take Luton for example, it is surrounded by houses, there would just be nowhere to safely set it up.

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That's kind of my point.  What do you do if you end up with a Championship club in the final, which has happened, and then you get a total clanger by the officials?

Also, some grounds you wouldn't even be able to get a mobile VAR unit.  Take Luton for example, it is surrounded by houses, there would just be nowhere to safely set it up.

Staff car park as is done in Eastern European leagues
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I don’t really understand the problem with this.

There was no such controversy from 2013-19 when GLT was used in some games and not others - surely, in theory at least, you want GLT plus VAR in as many games as you feasibly can, to reduce the number of wrongly assessed key incidents.

Let’s imagine that very clear penalties were missed both last night at Swindon and this afternoon at Crystal Palace by the on-field officials; would you rather:

1) there is no VAR on either game, so we have two crucial mistakes

2) there is VAR in all games it is possible to have, so after intervention if it was corrected at CP, now we only have one crucial mistake

Surely we agree it’s the second option, right?

I think the problem is that people don’t really like VAR in general (because there was never this philosophical discussion about GLT), which given the ineptitude of the PGMOL rollout in our country, is understandable. :)

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That's kind of my point.  What do you do if you end up with a Championship club in the final, which has happened, and then you get a total clanger by the officials?

Also, some grounds you wouldn't even be able to get a mobile VAR unit.  Take Luton for example, it is surrounded by houses, there would just be nowhere to safely set it up.

Staff car park as is done in Eastern European leagues

There is no car park of any kind at Luton, pretty sure it is the same at Loftus Road.  Both are completely surrounded by houses.
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That's kind of my point.  What do you do if you end up with a Championship club in the final, which has happened, and then you get a total clanger by the officials?

Also, some grounds you wouldn't even be able to get a mobile VAR unit.  Take Luton for example, it is surrounded by houses, there would just be nowhere to safely set it up.

Staff car park as is done in Eastern European leagues

There is no car park of any kind at Luton, pretty sure it is the same at Loftus Road.  Both are completely surrounded by houses.

Park it on the road?
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That's kind of my point.  What do you do if you end up with a Championship club in the final, which has happened, and then you get a total clanger by the officials?

Also, some grounds you wouldn't even be able to get a mobile VAR unit.  Take Luton for example, it is surrounded by houses, there would just be nowhere to safely set it up.

Final is at Wembley so will have VAR

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Let’s imagine that very clear penalties were missed both last night at Swindon and this afternoon at Crystal Palace by the on-field officials; would you rather:

1) there is no VAR on either game, so we have two crucial mistakes

2) there is VAR in all games it is possible to have, so after intervention if it was corrected at CP, now we only have one crucial mistake

Surely we agree it’s the second option, right?

I think the problem is that people don’t really like VAR in general (because there was never this philosophical discussion about GLT), which given the ineptitude of the PGMOL rollout in our country, is understandable. :)



Number 1 for me.

Imagine if those very clear penalties were missed in Swindon Town v Manchester City, Birmingham City v Plymouth Argyle or any one of the games with no VAR and therefore won't be corrected, unlike in the games with VAR.

1) Where is the fairness then?
2) Where is the level playing field?
3) How does that not adversely affect the integrity of the competition?

Every single team deserves to start on a level playing field and if that means more crucial errors then so be it. It might remind everyone why VAR was introduced & see it more accepted!

Why should some teams have the advantage of crucial mistakes being corrected by VAR and others not? It completely removes any fairness imo. I accept other views/opinions but for me it has to be all or nothing because it removes any fairness or level playing field otherwise.
« Last Edit: Sat 08 Jan 2022 18:42 by bmb »
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That's kind of my point.  What do you do if you end up with a Championship club in the final, which has happened, and then you get a total clanger by the officials?

Also, some grounds you wouldn't even be able to get a mobile VAR unit.  Take Luton for example, it is surrounded by houses, there would just be nowhere to safely set it up.

Staff car park as is done in Eastern European leagues

There is no car park of any kind at Luton, pretty sure it is the same at Loftus Road.  Both are completely surrounded by houses.

They must have a secure parking area for players. I can't see them having players having to drive around in circles to find a parking space and leaving their cars outside someones house 4 streets away! I think at Luton is Maple Street/Road by the corner of the main stand and the away stand. Long time since I have been there so could be remembering it totally wrong.
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I am with bmb on this one, either var at every game at each round or no game in that round has var.


Also There were two handball incidents in the game at Hull tonight, both against the same team, which ought to have resulted in penalties and most probably would have with var available.

Lastly if mourinho was a referee you could park the var van on the field preferably in front of one of the goals.